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Jeff Rense Interview with
Yoichi Shimatsu
on the

3-11 2011
Tohoku Quake-
Tsunami-Nuclear
Catastrophe


15 March 2011

 

Editor's Notes this is a "rush" transcription provided
by William B. Fox, Publisher, America First Books
that is reasonably but not totally accurate for
my own false flag research purposes.

I have marked transcription problems in brackets

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Jeff Rense: Welcome back. These times try men's and women's souls. The big question is what is really going on at the Fukushima nuclear power plant. We do know the Japanese government and Tokyo Electric Power Company have been, shall we say, less than forthcoming with the truth of this disaster at a time when truth and honesty have never been more important. We do know there have been three explosions in three of the reactor buildings, and the reactor in Building Four was reportedly on fire today and may still be burning as we speak. We do know that the facility usually employs about 800 people, and that a truly heroic group of about 50 have stayed on, trying to curtail the calamity from getting any worse. It is well worth mentioning that many of these people are probably going to die for their efforts, two reportedly killed in the most recent explosion yesterday, and I wouldn't be surprised if that number isn't really much higher. Will there be multiple melt-downs, or are they already underway? Will there be more explosions? Will Tokyo be bathed in serious radioactive fall-out? Some is already there. Will radiation come across the Pacific and hit the West Coast and cross the United States? So many questions, so few answers. With us tonight to help us unravel fact from fiction is a remarkable journalist. He is Yoichi Shimatsu, a Hong Kong-based environmental writer and former editor of the Japan Times Weekly who reported on a series of radioactive leaks that the Tokaimura nuclear plant in Ibaraki Prefecture outside Tokyo, the San Francisco and Kobe earthquakes, the Tokyo subway gassing, and participated in the rescue operation in Khao Lak, the worst hit part of Thailand in 2004, Indian Ocean, catastrophic tsunami. There he led the field research on design flaws that led to the high death tolls for the architecture schools at two locations. One of which Hong Kong University [and the other at Thammasat University]. After the 1995 Kobe quake, he was consultant to the Tohoku Keidanren, the largest regional business group on disaster preparedness. So let us welcome Yoichi Shimatsu to the program. His article, by the way, clicked to the data under his name, and guests at Rense.com. He is an extraordinary writer, obviously with very good sources, to put it mildly. Welcome Yoichi!
Yoichi Shimatsu: Hello there Jeff.
Rense: How are you?
Shimatsu: OK. It is just the opposite part of the clock here, so it is morning over here in Asia.
Rense: Things are very chaotic as you know in the media, trying to find out the truth as I just said is very difficult.
Shimatsu: Right.
Rense: I do not know where to start, this is a very complicated issue, what do we know right now Yoichi, and where do you want to approach this from which angle?
Yoichi: Well right now I think some praise is due to our colleagues, our journalistic colleagues from Japan. Both the print media and television have really taken on the government hard. After the Kobe earthquake, the media did cooperate with the government in downplaying things and it took the media weeks if not months to get over that collaboration with official sources. But this time they have really taken on the government in the public interest, or in the interest of their readers and viewers, and so it took about four days, but the government is finally, sort of -- when government tries to put up a basically censorship on the second day, citing a clause in the Constitution where the press really rebelled against and did their own reporting, a lot of local governments rebelled, and the press reported on that, and finally I think on the fourth day the Prime Minister blew up at a cabinet meeting, and said, "We have got to get this TEPCO -- Tokyo Electric Power Company-- under control. Who runs Japan? Does TEPCO run Japan or does the government of Japan run Japan?" And so he after four days he set up what is called the NHQ. The nuclear headquarters, which both coordinates the operation that is happening in Fukushima and also to handle questions from the press more forthrightly. We have seen the chief cabinet secretary, Yukio Edano, he has emerged in this crisis from being a cover-up man to actually breaking a lot of stuff that he was not supposed to in answering the press. At the same time you have to understand his job is not to create a panic. But I think the government finally came to realize that that panic is not caused by the release of alarming information. The panic is causing the public to feel that they are being lied to and the information is being suppressed. That is what really gets the people to worry.
Rense: Boy, are you are right. You are so right. When you lie to the public, that is when the anxiety and stress builds to its maximum. And it does so very quickly. So they learned a lesson, it sounds like, over there. Now for you to say that the government is being forthright is very encouraging at this stage because in the beginning it was painfully obvious that they were anything but [forthright].
Shimatsu: That is right. Yes, but I think events overtook them. One disaster after the other, you just couldn't cover this thing over. There is no way to do that when you have an explosion appearing on the security cameras.
Rense: Right. Well let us go back to the earthquake and the actual tsunami. The plant itself is a GE design as most people listening here know, and we have 23 of the same kind of plants here. There was some kind of modification made, apparently, with the crane and some of the buildings there by the engineers over there, but they are basically the same GE plant, which contain within the same building the reactor, the containment vessel, and a storage facility for the rod, the spent rods. So there are a lot of people now asking questions which probably should have been asked and postulated decades ago, but anyway we are there. So the plant had regular power, it had backup power with generators, and it had battery reserves. They felt that a three layer defensive field was good. It wasn't. It didn't work. Did the tsunami actually roll over the entire plant, or just fill it with water and then leave? Do we know? Did it actually roll over the top of the building?
Shimatsu: The plant is designed very low in the water. It was only like less than two meters or the height of a person above the water line. The tsunami did roll over, and the reactors are basically designed to shut down in the event of a massive earthquake. There are switches. But the problem is that the outside generators to run the pump, they were apparently knocked out by the tsunami and the backup batteries also flooded. So this is the official story, of course. What is coming out of TEPCO is our only source. We cannot verify the second by second scenario yet, so this is going to have to be looked at and investigated further.
Rense: Some of the reports I am getting, the few reports, came from a French team, which was over there, and allegedly the readings on their Geiger counters were incredibly high. Now I don't know if these rates are static, if they are fluctuating, where they are now, but we do know the USS Ronald Reagan, and perhaps other ships, a hundred miles offshore, ran through significant amounts of radioactivity. What do you know about that Yoichi?
Shimatsu: OK, yesterday when the plant [exploded? unintelligible], some unspent nuclear rods caught on fire -- and also this was the Number Two Plant which had an internal explosion inside its containment chamber. This was inside the structure of the reactor itself. Not inside the core reactor, but right around that. Immediately around that. And a lot of steam was released, so at that point TEPCO and the government had to change the radioactivity readings from microsieverts to millisieverts. And at one point the radiation in the vicinity shot up to 2,000 millisievers. Now it only takes 400 millisieverts to cause cancer. To cause lung cancer, thyroid cancer, and so on. So we are talking about a rate easily eight times higher than what is acceptable. What is tolerable under government standards. So what we are seeing is deadly, lethal radiation leaking out.
Rense: Yoichi, a question. We are going to skip the break. That has to be quite serious to anyone working in that facility.
Shimatsu: Yes, even with radiation suits. You know, this is very, very dangerous. They are very brave men working in there. The government, you know these guys got a little angry that they had to retreat from these disasters but you have to understand these spikes in radiation, their suits are just not designed to contain those high levels, and the problem is the government has been scrambling to find robots. A robot that can go in there and replace human workers, but they have not yet succeeded despite all the genius of companies like Matsushita and SONY there are no robots on site. This is really tragic in a country that prides itself on robot development in the United States.
Rense: Those men in many cases have already given their lives. I don't want to be overly dramatic about this, but there is no question -- or shortened their lives. Two are dead. Are we getting actual readings from TEPCO that give us confidence about what is going on in the immediate vicinity of the plant and certainly the surrounding environs? Where are we getting the readings?
Shimatsu: The readings are taken just in the environs, like just a few hundred yards away from the plant. There is one monitoring station. It is pretty accurate readings, and they have been reporting to the nuclear and industrial safety agency. So those are fairly reliable readings. Well, anyway, let us continue on the implications of this in spikes of radiation.
Rense: Yes
Shimatsu: Go ahead.
Rense: What I want to know is how much was released, and when was it released. It went out a hundred miles, covered flying helicopters, and air crews --
Shimatsu: Right.
Rense: -- And also most likely the entire USS Ronald Reagan and I would suggest, we talked yesterday or the day before, the intake air ventilation system on that ship no question pulled in the air and may have literally filled the entire ship --with its air conditioning system -- however it is working -- with heat or it does not matter -- [or] cool -- with potentially radioactive air. Correct?
Shimatsu: Yes, that is right. I have actually flown in airplanes. I have done some readings after the Sichuan earthquake in China. I located some hotspots. And the plane I was on took radiation to one [phase? unintelligible] level. When you are in a metal vehicle like this, ventilation systems suck in air, it is very, very hard to clear that air. As you know -- cold and flu viruses --
Rense: Oh, yeah.
Shimatsu: So when we talk about radiation, it lingers for a long time, so I think that Captain of the Reagan made a wise decision to retreat, otherwise it could take weeks or possibly months to clear out every corner below deck. There are not a lot of windows on an aircraft carrier.
Rense: No.
Shimatsu: It could be harmful to crews and to helicopters. And the reason the contamination is that high is right now in East Asia we have what is called the "Siberian High." A high pressure zone which pushes air due eastward into the Pacific. Just a steady stream, which is why most of Japan is not contaminated now. And the Ronald Reagan just got in the way of this. The radiation doesn't rise. And when it gets a little warmer later in the year, in a couple of months, the warm air will tend to rise in an updraft, and that is when it hits the jet stream and heads off to North America.
Rense: So you have a high pressure now which is hovering over the islands essentially pushing the air away from the island toward the West Coast of the U.S.
Shimatsu: Right now the West Coast is not threatened now because the air is very cold --
Rense: I understand, I understand.
Shimatsu: But later on, once it starts to warm up, after the early summer begins, it could be very threatening.
Rense: OK, we are going to get back to that in more detail, as we continue, but right now the air is circulating enough apparently to have brought some low level radiation, radioactivity measurable to Tokyo. How much is down there?
Shimatsu: Also another point is that the Reagan has backed off a second time. This overnight it backed off again.
Rense: Oh really. I didn't hear that. Where is it now?
Shimatsu: I am not clear, but apparently an order was given. It had to move out of the wind direction of Fukushima and also it pulled back further out to sea. The radiation levels were increasing.
Rense: Well, I would suggest that we will probably never hear the full story of that Reagan incident, but I'll bet that boat 50-50 was filled with polluted air, and to try to flush that entire ship is one hell of an undertaking. The captain no doubt had his hands full as did the crew. How much is showing up in Tokyo, Yoichi, if much at all?
Shimatsu: Again, because of the current wind direction, very little. There is just trace amounts, and you know one of the concerns is this rolling blackout in Tokyo. It is not really clear -- there is so much attention focused on Fukushima One -- there are problems also at Fukushima Two, which is further south, and there are other nuclear plants on the coastal plain which have not had problems before. I picked up some rumors that were other problems and that could be the cause of the rolling blackout. So we really don't know. We really don't know the full extent because of the drama that is going on up there and the press, the government and the press, they are running exhausted right now. So only TEPCO will know, and TEPCO is not talking. So you know they shut down most of the -- the national train system is shut down to conserve electricity, and ship it around to different parts of the country. Manufacturing remains closed. So apparently other nuclear power plants are being idled.
Rense: Absolutely, no other conclusion to come to. I mean, you would think that one nuclear power plant out of 55 wouldn't shut the whole system down, to the extent that you are going to get rolling blackouts. So yes, agreed. Fukushima One, the power plant that has had so much trouble. It is how close to Fukushima Two?
Shimatsu: They are about, let's say, 40 miles apart. Fukushima Two is a little bit further to the south.
Rense: Is that also --
Shimatsu: They have been overheating in three or four of those reactors.
Rense: OK, is that one also --
Shimatsu: The damage had not been great. There has been overheating.
Rense: Is that also located on the shoreline, or close to it?
Shimatsu: Yes, yes, most of these Japanese power plants have to be on the ocean, yes.
Rense: So rumors of overheating can mean all kinds of things. Nothing severe, yet --
Shimatsu: That we know of.
Rense: OK, now with 55 plants around the country, it would seem that sooner or a later the press is going to start questioning people who are employed at those other plants to find out what is going on, because they do employ hundreds and hundreds of workers at each one, correct?
Shimatsu: Yes, yes. That is right, that is right. Our main attention is the one that has problems before. And that is the closest one to Tokyo, and then back in the 90's when we were reporting on the activists there, there were radiation drifts over Tokyo itself over the eastern suburbs of Tokyo that were not reported by the press. There was a blanket of censorship. My reporters had talked to the monitoring stations and we had reporters talking to plant workers, and there have been as many accidents as before. There is some concern whether that plant is safe.
Rense: It seems like it ought to be shut down. For my money, you can shut them all down, but that one, yes --.
Shimatsu: But Japan could actually do that. Japan has got like new wind from their offshore wind power. The seas around Japan are some of the windiest places on earth and the Japanese government and industries have virtually shut down the wind industries. China is far in advance of Japan now. Japan was once a leader. There has been no policy provision under the pressure of the nuclear industry and the fossil fuel industry -- they killed the wind power industry in Japan, despite the fact that they have abundant wind power, and lots of places to put it. A lot of flat land and islands where we could put giant turbines. The Chinese now have a magnetic levitation turbine which do not have bearings. You need a small scale using a rare earth magnet and they are highly efficient. They just don't lose anything from friction. So the technology is there, it is just that the investment is not there.
Rense: I understand. By the way, as a footnote, China is now announcing loud and clear it considers itself a new Middle East in terms of coal energy, so the Chinese apparently have a huge coal potential.
Shimatsu: Well yes, unfortunately the so-called clean-coal industry, the money that the world bank, the Germans, and the governments put into the carbon credit went to line the pockets of the coal industry, which proceeds to build more coal plants than ever, so basically out West I do a lot of environmental work in western China. You can't get the solar power or the wind power, some of the world's largest wind farms on to the grids because the money was misused to build so-called clean coal, so actually the net carbon increases are increasing. So a lot of energy policy makes no sense. Even the green energy policy does more damage than good.
Rense: The Chinese are building a number of coal plants every month at one point, there was so much money being poured into that sector.
Shimatsu: That is it. Both nuclear and the fossil fuel industry, they have a lot of clout with politics. In the West, right now the focus on censorship should move from Japan to the foreign and Western media. I don't know if everything you noticed in the last day all kinds of people who were essentially spokespeople for the nuclear industry are being rolled out. There was an expert from the [University of Western] Ontario University in London, [Canada] saying things like "Well, this reactor is not going to melt." Well it has already started melting down. These are bald-faced lies. The Wall Street Journal had a guy who was an open advocate of nuclear power, so these people are coming on. And I think the Western Press is actually feeding at the trough right now. We are seeing a lot of reassuring stories, when the facts are otherwise.
Rense: I totally agree with you. I find them frankly repulsive, and transparent. I posted one or two that are remotely reasonable. But as you say, there are bald-faced liars being trotted out for their 30 and 60 seconds of talking head fame and immortality -- or immorality. So yes, we are looking at that and trying to keep people aware of that. There is so much confusion over here. Apparently the Japanese press is standing up and showing some courage and integrity that the American lackey press -- flunky press -- is not about to do at this point in time. They don't want to lose their jobs.
Shimatsu: Yes, exactly. When we are talking about companies like GE, maybe bearing the liability for this. They are one of the largest new plant builders. Toshiba-Westinghouse, this is a Japanese-American hybrid.
Rense: Yep. Exactly, exactly.
Shimatsu: And these people have no shortage of money or influence in the government, in the Department of Energy, and so on. So attacking these people is a David and Goliath battle. They are the Goliath of the power industry.
Rense: All right, very good. Stand by, Yoichi, we have to take a short commercial break, we will come right back. I am talking to Yoishi Shimatsu in Hong Kong in just a couple of minutes. [21:42]
Rense: OK, back with all you folks. I am glad you are along tonight. We are talking to Yoishi Shimatsu in Hong Kong about the Fukushima disaster. Let's go back to Building One, Yoishi. They originally said just a hydrogen explosion, no big deal, the clouds from that blast stayed relatively close to the ground, blew the roof off, obviously the pictures are self-explanatory as to what is left. When you look down from the satellite view, however, the bottom of that facility almost appears to be clean. There is not much down there. There is some debris, but where did the pool go? Where did the reactor go? What the heck do they think is going on in there?
Shimatsu: Well the problem with the process is that as the fission, as these partial melt-downs keep occurring, whenever the water level drops, that the fission splits the water into hydrogen and into free radicals of oxygen, which is a very explosive mix. So not only is this stuff filtered outside, it recombines and explodes. But also, the latest blast was inside the containment chamber reactor. The stuff that explodes within.
Rense: Understand.
Shimatsu: This is very, very alarming, because it is really putting enormous pressures on the core reactor shield, which is already very vulnerable from the extremes of temperature. It is expanding, it is contracting. When it heats up, when there is water loss, it expands, when you pump water in it, it contracts. And as you know, this is how basically you --
Rense: You get micro-cracks and, sure, fissures over time, you bet. America's power plants are almost, some of them are 50 years old. And they have been shrinking and expanding. Shrinking and expanding. And they have cracks all over them. We are really awfully lucky over here to have dodged the bullet. We had Three Mile Island, that was bad enough. And they lied to us about that. But we are literally facing a situation where we should be shutting some of these older plants down now. Not after something happens.
Shimatsu: How come this hasn't happened earlier. It should have happened earlier.
Rense: I agree.
Shimatsu: We have been living, you know, we have been living --
Rense: On borrowed time. They call it borrowed time.
Shimatsu: Yes, these are bombs in our midst, yes.
Rense: I want to go [back] -- 55 reactors in Japan, approximately, give or take --
Shimatsu: Correct.
Rense: I want to go back. I want to try and cover this building by building if I can, Yoichi, to make sure we are up to speed on everything. Going back to building one, which appears to be slightly smaller than the three adjacent to it --
Shimatsu: That is right.
Rense: When you look down from the satellite enlargement, the enhanced picture, what is going on in there? Is wreckage on top of the reactor? There is no water being put in there at all. Have they just walked away from it? What -- you have got a partial melt-down-- what is gong on? --
Shimatsu: Well they are pumping water into it. -- I think the photo was taken after the evacuation, when people had to escape [from the place -unintelligible], but yes, that was the first hydrogen explosion. [In the form -unintelligible] of a 16 megawatt reactor, the smallest on site. They are pumping water back into it. Because of its smaller size, it is a little more easy to get under -- the Number Two reactors is nearly double in size to 700 plus megawatts, and that is the one that has been really out of control, basically.
Rense: Well the Number One building reactor, the smaller one, was not a MOX fuel reactor, either.
Shimatsu: No, no, no.
Rense: The MOX fuel was used in Number Two, apparently the large reactor, so Number One building blew. Your information is that they are still pumping water into that building. Good luck --
Shimatsu: They are still pumping water, yes.
Rense: I can't see how they are doing it. But more power to them.
Shimatsu: Well they use basically, for that one they just put in a fire truck, a civilian fire truck.
Rense: A pumper, yes? And ran hoses.
Shimatsu: [unintelligible]
Rense: Well, any [old port? -unintelligible].
Shimatsu: They are being supported by generators, and one of the generators ran out of fuel. This shows the workers there are very overstressed and exhausted.
Rense: I can imagine.
Shimatsu: They need to keep an eye on the fuel. And so the local generator at the site ran out of fuel and that is what caused the second huge explosion.
Rense: Is that what caused it? That is unbelievable. What a tragedy.
Shimatsu: The workers are just running around. There are more than 15 injured already in the hospital. There is a manpower problem there.
Rense: So, they forgot to fuel up the generator and it stopped the pumps and that is what caused the explosions.
Shimatsu: I don't think this is negligence, this is just . . .
Rense: No, no. But it happens, of course.
Shimatsu: They are way beyond the limits.
Rense: Of course. These are heroes, listen, I would be the first to salute them. Understand that. Stuff happens. OK, --
Shimatsu: It just goes to show that there is nothing automated right now. Human error is there as a major factor, there is just human workers. There are no robots on site, no automatic controls.
Rense: Anything can happen.
Shimatsu: Personnel are irradiated. You are basically calling on just ordinary workers to stay there until they eventually drop.
Rense: Drop dead. Would these guys in any case have radiation suits on, not that that would really help them from the more aggressive forms of radioactivity --
Shimatsu: You know, these prolonged exposures --
Rense: I know, it is just --
Shimatsu: -- wash down facilities, don't have any clean water, non-radioactive water in the vicinity. These are all questions -- these are questions they have not begun to ask yet in the crisis, things are so stretched.
Rense: OK, is One a partial melt-down, Building One?
Shimatsu: Yes. Number Two there was a melt-down, partial melt-down. Probably a larger partial melt-down.
Rense: The melt downs --
Shimatsu: The rods were completely exposed for a while. But luckily they were able to pump water in before the metal casings could melt. So there was a partial melt-down there too.
Rense: I remember that very clue, you wrote about it. The rods were totally exposed.
Shimatsu: Yes.
Rense: Now partial melt-down, does that mean it can be stopped once it starts?
Shimatsu: Yes, it can be stopped by filling it back up with water. The problem is that as I pointed out --
Rense: The water boils off.
Shimatsu: It tends to boil the water off and actually splits the water particles so the boiling off process results in the creation of steam and the dangerous vapor, explosive vapor, continues on and on and on. It builds up in the reactor and inside the surrounding area.
Rense: So these processes could go on for weeks.
Shimatsu: Right now in Japan they are talking months, not weeks. No one talks weeks any more. They are talking months, many months.
Rense: All right, building Three, Ka-Boom! That was a different kind of blast. That blast went hundreds and hundreds of feet into the sky. It looked like a small atomic bomb. What was that all about?
Shimatsu: Again, that is the same hydrogen. They are pumping sea water in there, so you have both hydrogen and oxygen, radicalized oxygen, generated. That explodes. But also because of the sea water pumped in, you had sodium and chlorine in the mix which accounts for the yellowish color. And this is also very alarming that they are using sea water because inside the reactor, sodium is like drain cleaner. And chlorine is highly corrosive.
Rense: Highly corrosive to metals, sure.
Shimatsu: So you are going to see the scaling of steel inside.
Rense: Sure, it is going to attack the stainless steel. Absolutely. Skip this break too, network. (Rising music in background). We are going to go right through. [29:42]. All right, so you are pouring sea water in there. Is that not in itself an admission that the reactor is utterly toast, it is history? It is done.
Shimatsu: Yes, I think that one of the inevitable conclusions of this whole episode is that at Chernobyl at the end, they had to entomb the reactor.
Rense: Right.
Shimatsu: Basically cover it with a mixture of concrete and neutron blockers. There are certain kinds of minerals like titanium dioxide that can actually capture neutrons. You have to make this mix. But you know it is not easy to do this. You need a high pressure concrete jet to shoot over this thing, and you have to do it in layers, so that, you know, it takes a lot of time and effort. I think it was a month at Chernobyl to encase the place. That is inevitably what they are going to have to do.
Rense: Well at Chernobyl, as some of you may recall, there was some absolutely heroic -- just superhuman -- these guys were all dead in a couple of months -- helicopter pilots that were flying over with these big buckets full of this mixture that you are talking about, and dropping it in layer after layer on the reactor core. They knew they were going to die, and they did it. Sometimes humanity rises to such heights of magnificence. And you wonder where it comes from. And we have the same thing I suspect going on at Fukushima right now with the workers that are there. OK, I want to move on here. We have got One and Three, number Two also popped. We don't know. We have got three partial melt-downs, would that be safe to say?
Shimatsu: That is right, that is right. That is what causes the blast, yes.
Rense: Yes.
Shimatsu: It is partial melt-downs that cause the chemical reaction that leads to the blast. And no one is denying it now. They are talking about -- they are worried about a total -- they think that Number Two could be the first to go to total melt-down. This is right from the top, from the Prime Minister's office who is worried about that.
Rense: He said that yesterday afternoon.
Shimatsu: Yesterday. He said there is a strong possibility of a core reactor melt-down at Number Two.
Rense: I would say a probability.
Shimatsu: We have to shift our thinking, and that is why these apologists for the nuclear industry are just getting in the way.
Rense: They are repulsive.
Shimatsu: Out of the way for people who know what they are doing.
Rense: Right. I find it to be a side show of the most tawdry and disgusting nature, frankly. We have got to face these things head on and stop with the crap.
Shimatsu: Otherwise we will still have a pre-release. And the other thing about a melt-down, a core melt-down when that happens, that generates so much heat that it sends a plume or column straight up into the jet-stream. It will rise to 8,000 meters. And it causes bubbles of radioactive gas and particles will float on the jet stream and then three days it will be over the West Coast -- not just the West Coast -- over half of the United States.
Rense: Well, it is 600 mile an hour jet stream.
Shimatsu: Yes, and where it lands no one knows. It depends on the temperatures, rain fall, so it is completely unpredictable. So I have been arguing that there should be a security consult team of U.S., Russia, Japan, whatever the other powers are in the region. China, they get their air forces together, they try to prepare for the inevitable. Cloud-seeding in the Western Pacific before any plume can rise up to the jet stream, it has got to be stopped by rainfall, and you are going to have to have combined air forces to be seeding the clouds 24 hours a day for months. Presumably if you want your kids in America not losing their hair and all the other terrible things and all the other terrible things, all that stuff we saw after Chernobyl. So, this is no joke, and civil disaster prevention emergencies, how many people, families --.
Rense: I hate to say it, my friend, but there has been no serious effort in this country in terms of civil defense, civil awareness whatever of any significance, and as you said, and as I have said in other programs, they are rolling out the morons, and I am sure they are brilliant, and I am sure they have a lot of letters after their names, but they are hacks. And that is what they are doing. And it is doing the public the greatest disservice, and all of this is being greased and aided and abetted by an utterly baseless, groundless, immoral media.
Shimatsu: That is right.
Rense: And it is really sad.
Shimatsu: Like I said, your attention is no longer on the Japanese media, it is on the so-called free press of the West. Which has completely failed.
Rense: So the people over there are looking over here and noticing that, hun? Interesting.
Shimatsu: Oh yes, yes, yes. The Japanese press is very detailed, forthright, and present scientific facts, best as possible. My colleagues in the Japan Times have explained to people the differences between millisieverts, microsieverts, all the health things, and --
Rense: Right.
Shimatsu: -- They are doing a great job there. They are working overtime. They are struggling with the government getting the stuff out, starting with TEPCO. We see nothing of the sort from foreign correspondents there. They are doing sad, sob history stories of flood victims over there.
Rense: Exactly.
Shimatsu: They are not focusing on the immediate present and the clear and present danger. What we face right now.
Rense: What you are saying Yoichi is in the press there is the information that the Western Press --
Shimatsu: Is not picking up.
Rense: Not a surprise. Glad to hear that our fraternal brothers and sisters in the Japanese media are standing tall. At least there is some real journalism left.
Shimatsu: I take some pride in training some of those journalists, .junior reporters at Kobe and Tokaimura. At lot of those people are people I aroused them back in when they were cub reporters. Now they are senior editors.
Rense: I understand. Good for you. That is what this business used to be over here. Unfortunately journalism over here is nothing much more than the mouth piece for whichever corporation hires it, and these people are hooked into such celebrity it is really disgusting. I do not think the Japanese media, I have not seen any of that in the stories I have seen. But over here if you are a journalist or a TV news reporter you are a mini movie star. It is sad.
Shimatsu: Well, if people want the news about this thing, I don't read the Wall Street Journal or the New York Times, I mean go straight to The Japan Times, the Daily Yomiuri. They have English version, Mainichi [Daily News], they have English papers. Go directly to the Japanese press, you will get some accurate reporting there. It is sad that that is the case, it is very sad that that is the case --
Rense: Well, it is important to mention, your writing is as good as I have seen there, easily there. I have seen none better, so keep it up and don't stop. Now lets get back to Fukushima. What is going on there right now, we have got three partial melt downs. Your last story talked about the internal explosion inside the containment vessel.
Shimatsu: Right.
Rense: Not inside the reactor, necessarily, but I don't know how much room is between the two. But that can't auger well for the future of Number Two.
Shimatsu: That is why the official government verdict, this is not an opinion, this is the official government verdict that there is a strong likelihood of a core meltdown. And they are preparing for it now. The ability to prepare is another problem. They are stretched to the maximum, so they are in an area with no services, no anything, no power, so this is the problem of how they could plan to respond to the end game.
Rense: OK.
Shimatsu: The end game is coming up.
Rense. All right.
Shimatsu: The end game is coming up, so they are doing their best.
Rense: We have got the term "months" being used now. Now in months, as you say, the weather is going to change, this heat is going to rise much more easily to greater heights and obviously make it up to the jet stream. Right now because of the high pressure it is being quashed and kept down relatively low to the deck.
Shimatsu: That is right.
Rense: So it is not moving very far away from Japan so far. If there is a core melt-down this could occur over what period of time? The next week, two, [in a matter of] days, do we have a guess?
Shimatsu: No one is predicting. We cannot predict how long the steel is going to hold, how many of these blasts is going to recur. This is anyone's guess, but, you know, I mean, you cannot reach for a time frame. And if it does blow open, it will probably leak for probably several months before it can be contained.
Rense: Well unless they can get in there with helicopters and start pouring concrete on it, like they did at Chernobyl.
Shimatsu: Yes, well that is true, but this is a region with very few [--- unintelligible?]. So they have to get the rest of the infrastructure in the Sendai area up to support. You have to have like hundreds of concrete trucks --
Rense: I understand. I have got it. They had better get their butts in gear, and start moving on that, because clearly there has got to be entombment of these reactors at some point.
Shimatsu: You call Sendai airport, it is in the middle of a mud flat now. It has been knocked out. If there is no airport, how are we going to get helicopters in and out?
Rense: Well, they are going to have to drive -- I hope this is being clearly planned and put into some kind of implementation now, not in six months. If that core melts down --.
Shimatsu: I can tell you the sad thing is the Japanese go by the book. The book was written by GE. GE has no contingencies. There is no -- there is not a paragraph in a book which tells you when everything fails in this book, you have to improvise. I mean, we could be improvising filters with 40 foot containers to make basic shower units to filter some of this air before it leaks out, but no one is trained to think like that, you know. They just follow instructions, and there are no instructions to this kind of disaster.
Rense: I had on the program last night Kei Suboata, a nuclear power plant inspector for 20 years. And I asked him last night, I said, "If you were in charge, what would you do?" And you know what he said? He said, "I don't know."
Shimatsu: Yes. That's it. That is an honest admission. That is truthful.
Rense: So what we are seeing here when we get a paucity of information on the potentials, and what is coming in the future, and what may or may not be done. That is not necessarily always lying. These people honestly don't know.
Shimatsu: That's right, that's right. TEPCO, really --
Rense: Well, TEPCO has more knowledge than anyone, but the general feeling -- and they don't have the answers either. OK, because we are in uncharted water and we just don't know.
Shimatsu: Absolutely, absolutely. These monsters are boiling away and out of control.
Rense: And those men in there are dying.
Shimatsu: Yes.
Rense: And I hope they are honored at some point for what they are trying to do, and I hope their story gets told. Not in a motion picture, but in the real world.
Shimatsu: What is sad is these are the only guys who know what is going on. These are the guys with experience. They are going to have to bring in other nuclear workers from other plants who are starting out fresh and cold. So there is not much seniority over there. The senior guys are getting wiped out.
Rense: Unreal. When Number One blew up, that hydrogen blast, could anybody inside that building have survived, logically? That was a terrific blast.
Shimatsu: Well, there was no one inside the structure per se. I mean the guys with the pump were in the doorways, corridors and so on of the structure, they were pretty seriously injured. In Number Eleven apparently there were people in the building, that is how we -- I mean in Number Two, in Three, there were people inside --
Rense: In Three.
Shimatsu: Those are the ones probably who died, yes.
Rense: And again, we are not getting much on that.
Rense: All right, so we have three partial melt-downs, in Number Two with at least two blasts, internal.
Shimatsu: Yes.
Rense: What could be causing those blasts? Some kind of corrosive activity in there which is creating hydrogen or could there be some other explanation.
Shimatsu: Well basically there is a fission process. When you fill a tank with water, and there is partial melt-down, what you have is a very high temperature in fission. You have these ring of active ions, which basically are emitting a lot of particles which can disrupt the bond between hydrogen, the oxygen, in water. When that happens, free-floating hydrogen and what we call super-charged oxygen are broken off. And this is happening in very, very large quantities, which accounts for the huge pressure build up. Instead of liquid in there, we have these huge concentrations of explosive gases, and that is why you have to release the pressure. It has to go out. And assuming it goes out into the atmosphere, it can recombine [the hydrogen and oxygen to reform water] and then explodes in containment chambers. This is a simple chemical process. Basically hydrogen is bonding with oxygen and it is an enormous amount of power in contained areas.
Rense: I just received word, Yoichi, and I don't know any more than this. This is from CNN, workers at Japan's damaged nuclear power plant, this would be Fukushima One, have suspended operations and evacuated. This from the chief cabinet secretary. They have pulled out, that means Number Two is free to melt down, totally, that means we could --
Shimatsu: They have the pumps pumping away --
Rense: There is no one there to watch them --
Shimatsu: Basically when they release the pressure, when they release the internal mixture of hydrogen and oxygen in the water, when they release that into the air, they have to back off because there is a likelihood of an explosion again. We will see explosions and explosions and explosions over and over again, because this is a process, a chemical process that just builds up, you have got to release the stuff, when you do, it explodes.
Rense: If I am reading this right, and CNN has it right, this is a new level of the crisis. Again I will read it --.
Shimatsu: It is better that it explode outside the reactor rather than in the containment chamber.
Rense: I understand that.
Shimatsu: The evacuations and these explosions that will be reoccurring. We are going to get very used to these explosions after a while. As long as the containment chambers don't explode in the core reactor, we still have some margin of safety.
Rense: I don't know. Boy, I don't know. The damage from those blasts on cooling system pumps, pipes, joints, connections, these things -- these pipes are not that big. Four, five, or six inches. Some of them.
Shimatsu: Yes, yes.
Rense: They will break like a pretzel. Well, we will see. We have to take a break We will come back, Yoichi, in about five minutes, so please stand by, and we will continue. Yoichi Shimatsu, direct from Hong Kong on this, we are getting the inside, inside scoop for you, and we will be back. [45:23:30]
Rense: OK, welcome back. Things getting worse by the minute. We are talking with Yoichi Shimatsu. The Fukushima nuclear power plant has been abandoned. The workers have been pulled out, the radiation levels too high, the danger obviously unacceptable. Many of those workers clearly have been exposed and will probably develop diseases and die in the near future. There is some talk about bringing in helicopters at this point. You heard that during the news break. Time will tell. That seems to be the only way to approach this. The story from NBC, CNN, about the same. Workers have been pulled back, operations suspended, pretty much turning the planet over to whatever will happen. And what is probably going to happen is quite clear, there will be a full melt-down of at least one of the cores of the four of the six reactors that have been severely damaged. FOX News just reports, Japan suspended operations to prevent the stricken Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant from melting down Wednesday, after a surge in radiation made it too dangerous for workers to remain at the facility. Cabinet secretary Yukio Edano said work on dousing reactors with sea water was disrupted by the need to withdraw. All right Yoichi, what does this mean?
Shimatsu: Well, basically it could mean another explosion. I mean, that is the best case. And let us hope it remains at that. Let us hope it does not -- it is a good sign that they retreat because there will probably be an explosion outside of the reactor rather than inside the containment chamber of the reactor. I don't think we should be too alarmed yet. I think that eventually there will be a melt-down, but they have to be forestalled, to get some time for planning, logistics and so forth. Civil defense and so forth, to get into gear. And so it is very difficult obviously in Japan.
Rense: Right, if the workers, if TEPCO and the government order the workers to get out of there, whichever one or both it doesn't matter, clearly there is no ability for anyone to do anything in there at this point in time, and the plant has been abandoned to whatever happens.
Shimatsu: The people have not been doing too much except pumping water in, so --
Rense: Well, that may be the difference, in some cases, correct? We just don't know. We don't really know what is going on.
Shimatsu: Again, the water level is going up and down because it is being burned off in chemical reaction
Rense: All right, here is the quote by the Washington Post today. The explosion, which you wrote about, probably damaged the main protective shield around the uranium-filled core inside one of the plant's six reactors. Such a breech, would be the first at a nuclear power plant since the Chernobyl catastrophe in the Soviet Union twenty five years ago, and that anniversary is coming up within two weeks. How very strange. Very strange.
Shimatsu: Yes, well, there is a lot to learn from Chernobyl. The public health measures, the high cancer rates in Ukraine, the fact that Poland had less because they gave iodine, potassium iodide tablets to their population. I was in Norway after that. They killed off the entire reindeer herd and cattle herd there. All your dairy animals, because Cesium and iodine 131, they tend to build up in human organs and in the organs of animals, so if this crosses over half the United States, as the jet stream would suggest it would, you are going to see most of America's dairy industry, most of its wildlife wiped out. You will have to import milk, probably, from other countries. And there will be no such thing as breast-feeding and all that. That would just be out of the question. A lot of higher cancer rates, and so on.
Rense: You just said some very interesting things. This is the smartest audience in talk radio without a question of a doubt, but there are probably people who are listening, who will listen to this program, who don't understand what you just said. Why the dairy industry is dead. Why breast feeding is out. Well let me just take breast-feeding first of all.
Shimatsu: Cesium is very much in low concentrations, but what happens is it gets into the grass that the animals eat, also into your grain supply, and --
Rense: What happened at Three Mile Island.
Shimatsu: Exactly. When you eat bread or whatever you are eating, spaghetti or whatever, that Cesium will tend to concentrate -- and iodide-- in your thyroid and your other organs. In your liver, and so on. Where ever -- it will tend to concentrate and build up in the breast tissue, and therefore milk will be a high dosage vehicle for radiation.
Rense: As you probably know, human breast milk is one of the --tragically in the Western world-- one of the most toxic things you could come up with to feed an infant. It has turned into an organ of elimination for the body of toxicity.
Shimatsu: Yes, that is very sad.
Rense: It is bizarre. The same thing with cattle.
Shimatsu: We are living in an absolutely contaminated environment. Which are toxic to human health. And breast milk is absolutely the leading -- it is a canary in the mine, when children cannot drink their mother's milk without health risks, again, we are talking about end game here. A real distortion to the human population starting to crop up, yes.
Rense. That is one, and then if the child should somehow survive and be reasonably healthy, they begin to of course inject them with vaccines when they are hours old over here. I do not know if you have the same thing in Hong Kong or China or Japan.
Shimatsu: There have been a lot of problems with that with these bird flu vaccines and all that, that cause horrific syndrome in people --
Rense: But, the average vaccine load that an 18 year old in this country gets, is something close, I think it is thirty eight different vaccines, and there are something like 30 or 40 more in the pipeline. These things are insane. The whole thing is nuts.
Shimatsu: The human body was not made to tolerate these overloads that are being given. And so these melt-downs that are occurring are like, well I guess the favored word of the moment is the tipping point. We are talking about a tipping point here. And believe me, I am no advocate of the Apocalyptic 2012 scenario because I think these things are preventable. They are human-caused agencies. The tsunami did not destroy the plants. The bad design did, the lack of defenses. It was not a wave or an earthquake that destroyed it. And this is my point out of Thailand too. I did this architectural report. The tsunami didn't kill people, it was badly designed buildings that killed people.
Rense: Wow, wow. Well obviously General Electric has been very, very quiet so far. They are not going to open their mouth and stick one or both feet in it. They are going to be real quiet because they are clearly headed for major litigation of some sort. Now they will plead it was an act of God and it was not their fault, but, we are going to go back to basic design work and that clearly is under high scrutiny by an awful lot of people right now.
Shimatsu: Well, the people they are going to have to worry about are the insurers. The Japanese took out a heck of a lot of insurance on property and on these nuclear plants and with European insurance companies. The insurers are going to go after GE, so if you are a share holder of GE, the obvious thing to do now is dump.
Rense: Well, by the way, yes, dump GE immediately. You shouldn't be in the stock market anyway. By the way there was another story that came through here the other day. TEPCO has been contracted to build two new power plants in the U.S. should more be built. Of course that is all probably water under the bridge by now,. fortunately. All right, I still want to go back to this issue, of all the people living in the area there, because the low level distribution of radiation is quite obviously severe. When they tell people to stay indoors and don't go outside, what is that going to do to protect them?
Shimatsu: Well, virtually nothing because you do have to vent your house. You do have to go out to go shopping. So there is a 20 kilometer evacuation zone, and that is surrounded by another 10 kilometers of ordering people to stay indoors. I think that one of the problems is that these people have nowhere to evacuate to.
Rense: Nowhere to go.
Shimatsu: A lot of people have left the coast or are staying with their relatives. Their schools are filled with --the hotels are filled. So you know, this is a real problem. You are going to have to figure out a long term evacuation plan to other parts of Japan. But then again, a lot of the trains are not running. The buses are not running. So how do you evacuate people? This is a multiple catastrophe. Everywhere you look there are a series of very steep challenges.
Rense: The country has ordered, get this folks, 140,000 people to seal themselves indoors and apparently not come out.
Shimatsu: Yes.
Rense: I don't know where this is going, but it is obviously not going to a good position. It is going to get a lot worse before it gets better. OK --
Shimatsu: Well, the warnings about nuclear power have been out there --
Rense: For decades.
Shimatsu: For decades, and nothing was ever done except to build more of these things.
Rense: And more on the drawing boards. Fortunately Germany today announced the closure of its oldest two plants or one plant. I have forgotten which. And they have suspended all license extensions for all other plants in Germany, which is the most intelligent thing I have heard. Meanwhile in this country, the alleged president who I hope is an object of great derision in the East, Barack Hussein Obama, said not to worry, nuclear power is safe. I don't know what the word in Japanese for shill and whore is, but we could apply them to this man with no problem.
Shimatsu: Well, earthquakes and tsunamis are not the only threat. There is this thing called the Stuxnet computer virus.
Rense: That is right.
Shimatsu: That shuts down critical infrastructure. Shuts down power systems. And which is obviously targeted at nuclear plants. It wasn't just released against Iran. It has been released all over Europe and the United States, China, Asia. So we have this very malicious virus who is basically targeted against nuclear plants. And American nuclear plants are no exception. So, you know, we can have a computer shut-down and exactly the same thing can happen. The generators don't work. The pumps don't work, and you start to go into melt-down, anywhere in the world. It was created in Israel. This was created in Israel, designed in Israel, and released around the world.
Rense: Yep, yep. The virus itself, the Stux virus, has made the Bushehr reactor basically toast. It is done. They can't use it. They can't take a chance. There is no way. One of the after effects of the release of this virus was the Chinese report, which nobody seemed to pick up on. We did here, that 12 million computer systems were infected with the Stux virus in China. Did you hear that?
Shimatsu: Oh yes, yes, yes, it is well known. They don't talk a lot about it, but I do environmental work in China, and do some consulting with the energy sector, and yes, they said this is a very, very serious problem. And basically they just have to basically go to local systems for control. They just have to take their power systems off line.
Rense: How many nuclear plants in China right now?
Shimatsu: I think there is about 20-some. They are planning another dozen. Right now there is some hardball reconsideration. They are going to go ahead with about six of them, but I think the ones further in the future are going to have to be reconsidered. A lot of the future, I think not just elsewhere, is the gumption to build offshore wind farms. Mega wind farms off shore. That is happening in the North Sea. I have done some consulting on that. Britain, the Netherlands, Germany has come in. They are building right now, they have got some on the North Sea. They connect Scandinavian with all of Western Europe into one giant grid, thanks to these huge wind farms out in the North Sea, so they are not in your back yard. You will not be able to see them from shore. They are fairly slow, they are very gigantic. They are very slow-moving. They don't kill birds and so on. They don't create a lot of problems. So a new infrastructure is being designed for the North Sea to replace oil and gas, because they don't want to be too dependent on Russian gas. So this is happening in Europe, but it is not happening anywhere else.
Rense: Latest story from Reuters, conditions at the stricken nuclear power plant in Japan have deteriorated so much that there is a growing consensus that the crisis is greater than the Three Mile Island accident in 1979, and that there are fears that it could get significantly worse. Obviously it is going to get significantly worse. It already is. This is an issue of a plant with six reactors, four are gone. The other two are reported to have problems. What do you know about the other two, if anything?
Yoichi Shimatsu: Are you talking about reactors?
Rense: Yes. The reactors.
Shimatsu: Basically they are in partial melt-down. There are three reactors so far. There is one -- even the offline reactors seem to be having problems. One of the three that were offline -- seem to be having them, and also separate nuclear power plants they are overheating down there. We do not know a lot about the other nuclear power plants in Japan at this time, because they are nowhere near the criticality stage of Fukishima One. But this problem may spread further, so we have to be open to every eventuality and face these as they come.
Rense: What I would like to do is go back and revisit what you said about radiation, radioactivity coming over the United States. It goes up and hits the jet stream, 8,000 feet or more, and then it is here in two or three days. We understand...
Shimatsu: Well, the first thing I would say is even if an accident one tenth this size were happening in North Korea or Iran, you would see the security consults, the press going ballistic, the IAEA, everyone would be on high alert. Wouldn't they?
Rense: You bet.
Shimatsu: We have something much larger right in the United States. It is right in the path of this deadly locomotive of radiation, and nothing is being done. No one seems to care. I wrote in one of my summits, everybody go back to sleep, yes? So this is, I think, a problem. Unless people wake up and realize the danger, start doing the planning, if people can't work as an international community to figure out how to stop a radioactive cloud from crossing the Pacific, then the unthinkable is going to happen.
Rense: Obviously.
Shimatsu: I am talking about how we might have a grace period of a month, by let us say by late April or May, the ground temperatures are going to get warmer. If there is a melt-down, it is going to shoot all the radiation right into the jet stream, and there will not be time. We still have some time, very very precious, days, maybe weeks, maybe days, only -- to get the planning on the ground, and no one is doing it.
Rense: Maybe we should take some of the chemtrail spray planes and turn them into equipment for --
Shimatsu: Absolutely, or cloud seeders. What ever they are doing, I do not know what they are doing all around the world, but they could be cloud-seeding off the East Coast of Japan right now -- at least a practice run. They are going to -- you can't get them all off U.S. carriers or even bases in Japan may be contaminated. I would suggest that Russian air force bases in Kamchatka, the Kurile Islands could be used if the U.S. wants to cooperate with Russia to do something like this. You know people are going to have to put aside a lot of political, ideological, economic competition. They talk a lot about globalism, we are seeing zero global action here from the globalists.
Rense: Well said, and well qualified. Exactly right. And his point about Iran or North Korea having a leak like this, the international globalist Illuminati-Zionist community would be going crazy right now. The media would be absolutely screaming their heads off. What we are seeing here is obfuscation, lies, and the next time somebody rolls out a talking head to say, "Don't worry, be happy." Small chance of any problem. I hope you folks hit the delete key real fast on your computers. It is a lie. All right, so the workers have been pulled out,
Shimatsu: If I can just add one point about what you said here about the globalists --
Rense: Go ahead.
Shimatsu: You know last year about this time I was in Berlin where I heard Henry Kissinger announce his non-nuclear world policy. It was his first announcement. He happened to be in the former headquarters of the Stasi, the East German Secret Police where he made this statement. And since then we have seen a lot of what we might call very robust anti-proliferation work going on around the world. You know, we saw Mubarek and his son, they were trying to build a nuclear, revise Egypt's nuclear plant to build up a nuclear deterrent against Israel. They had the cooperation probably of Libya, a uranium provider. Tunisia, because they are concerned about what has been happening in Gaza and Lebanon. Mubarek was shut down. We see Angela Merkel, she made a U-turn, cut and run. Her speech was given in Germany. So we are seeing the possibility -- I don't know, I am not suggesting anything, but I don't exclude the possibility, maybe those generators at Fukushima were shut down by computer virus before the Tsunami hit. We do not know, OK.
Rense: And we probably never will.
Shimatsu: Well, it could be traced. If people check and see if Fukushima One was under attack, Japanese nuclear plants have been under attack. It is a high national security issue, the Japanese government would never disclose that because of its security alliance with the United States. But in the Kobe quake, and the subsequent disasters, we did find evidence -- and we are talking about top seismologists from Tsukuba University of Seismic Technology, talking about very, very unusual patterns in the ionosphere above Kobe for six months prior to the earthquake. That puzzles them. Today Japanese seismologists are saying this quake behaves like no other quake they have ever seen. It is completely inexplicable. It has been followed by quakes along fault lines where these are totally disconnected to this fault line, so the seismologists themselves are saying this does not seem to be a natural event like previous quakes we have been studying for the last hundred years, so there is some concern that maybe some of the disaster has been -- some of this disaster may have been abetted by a robust anti-proliferation campaign that is being run something like Captain Nemo or like Operation Swordfish. There might be a covert program to shut down, like with Stuxnet in Iran, to shut down the world's nuclear systems to maintain a monopoly of a few countries.
Rense: Well, it makes no sense to damage Japan to the extent that Japan can no longer buy useless American treasury bills, or, prop up the Euro with good Japanese money and assets -- that is gone now, so I don't understand the game. Japan, as you folks know, Japan -- probably you know -- Japan sits on four major techtonic plates that are constantly pushing together and moving. This is one of the ten great earthquakes in history. And as Yoichi said, we have been monitoring earthquakes for about a hundred years. Well, the planet is 4.3 billion years old. We don't know what happens. It is very difficult to know and understand the ultimate forces of the plates on the planet. And what happens underneath, the magma, and the pressures, upthrusting, downthrusting, convection, all these things are unknown, so when scientists say they have never seen anything like this before, to me it is does not mean a lot. We have been watching this for a hundred years, at the most. So we will see. Hang on if you will, Yoichi, we will be right back with another couple of segments, and then we will say "Good morning to you." Thanks for being here, so stay with us, we will be right back Yoichi Shimatsu, in just a couple of minutes. [1:07:28]
Rense: OK, and we are back, talking about the Fukushima catastrophe if you just tuned in. The emergency heroic workers, about 50 of them, have all been pulled off. The plant has apparently been abandoned. We will see what happens. This does not auger well for the future. The idea of a full core melt-down is something that we have never seen before. Even Chernobyl was a partial, if I remember. This would be if it happens a full core. A seven hundred and fifty megawatt generator, correct?
Shimatsu: That is right. That's right.
Rense: That would be Number Two. So if one of the four stricken reactors melts down, what is there to keep the others from following suit? If anything?
Shimatsu: Well, if they start to melt down, the others will follow suit because you will have to abandon the whole area. So we are talking about basically six reactors will have to be entombed -- it is a lot of work.
Rense: Well, they had better start entombing them right now.
Shimatsu: Well, as you say, they have got to get the preparations going.
Rense: We have been through that. I do understand.
Shimatsu: They will have a hard time doing it alone.
Rense: If the world basically is going to lose 100 million people, I think that every effort should be made by the alleged leaders of the free world or the world at large to do something about this. And if they have to --
Shimatsu: At least go into planning for worst case. The worst case scenario is on the immediate horizon. And you have got to get the preparations up, the logistical plans up. The design things organized, the implementation. What do we lose if they don't melt down. The reactor shields hopefully stay up, and if we can get this thing contained, excellent, wonderful, but we still must be prepared for the worst case scenario. Otherwise we are completely being reckless and irresponsible.
Rense: How far away from the facility is the Sendai airport?
Shimatsu: It is further to the south. It is not that far away, maybe 20 miles.
Rense: They need to start bringing heavy equipment in there and cleaning that runway now.
Shimatsu: Yes. That is the point. They need to get a causeway, some sort of pontoon bridge out to the thing and get this thing ready. So that is what I am saying. The logistical nightmare is there, but it has got to be dealt with by different teams of people who can move in there and take care of this problem. And the problem is the Japanese government faces death. They have not passed their new [unintelligible] yet. They are bit overwhelmed. So I think some sort of international effort has to be mounted. But Japanese people would not accept a one-sided U.S. effort. They would want a full international U.N.-organized effort so that there is enough transparency.
Rense: They had better cut the red tape and get with it. A few days ago --
Shimatsu: The other thing is I have often been asked why is it the Japanese, the only country to be hit with two nuclear bombs, would opt for nuclear energy, and one of the reasons is that in the 60's the whole history of the nuclear power history was a time when the United States under this program called [Operation] Murray Hill -- tried to build a global monopoly over uranium. Saw it as a power of the future. The king power of the future. And this is one that could ultimately be controlled globally under U.S. standards and management systems and Nonproliferation Treaty and all, and Japan was basically a subordinate ally of the United States and accepted it. The United States does not want Japan to rely heavily on oil like it did before World War II, which lead to World War II. The Japan drive for war historically was to try to feed oil reserves.
Rense: That was the greater Southeast Asia co-prosperity project, which the United States torpedoed.
Shimatsu: And to counter that, the United States component had nuclear power as the alternative to petroleum. And this is how the Japanese nuclear power industry really got started, and that is why it is no accident that GE designed these reactors.
Rense: And who owns most of the uranium mines in the world? The Queen of England. She is the figurehead, but she has been buying them up. And the largest recent purchase I am told was in the middle of Australia. A railroad has been built to service the area, so that is another one. Obviously the future is a nuclear future for the Illuminati globalists. Let me go back to these actual hands-on issues here. Early Wednesday it says in this particular story from FOX [News], Japan abandoned plans to spray water from helicopters into an overheating spent fuel storage pool. A TEPCO spokesman said that helicopters were deemed impractical, but other options were under consideration. Now you mentioned the fire engines, but they are unmanned right now because the people have pulled out. At least the announcement came in the last half hour. So no helicopters, impractical. No fire engines. No water being sprayed, as far as I can tell, because the pumps are not there being manned.
Shimatsu: They are there passively. You don't need workers there on site all the time. You need workers to run the pumps from a distance.
Rense: Well, if they go in there to fuel the pumps....
Shimatsu: They are temporary and they try to come back. So again, this is a drama that is going to go back and forth and back and forth every day for ---
Rense: It is kind of like a war, isn't it?
Shimatsu: Yes, it is a war against our own technology. The bombs we place right in our back yards, so whose fault is this? This is our own for becoming dependent like this on a very, very -- I mean every other power source you flip the switch --
Rense: You can deal with it.
Shimatsu: An hour, a day, or a minute they shut down, but this nuclear power's strength was that it provides continuous energy for indefinite -- for the next 100,000 years, and this was the selling point of it, and now that selling point has turned viciously against it. [1:13:37]
Rense: Every plant, ladies and gentlemen, many of you listening probably have a nuclear power plant not too far away. Every one of these plants is a catastrophic nuclear bomb waiting to go off. By the way, I was told today that 80% of America's nuclear power plants will not withstand an 8.0 quake, they will fall apart. So we are that close to catastrophe. That goes to another issue that I have been pushing for a long time, and that is if 9/11 were real, and those supposed Muslim hijackers had actually wanted to destroy the Great Satan America, what would they have done with those jet liners Yoichi? They would not have flown them into the World Trade Center. They would have flown them into what?
Shimatsu: Well yes, sure -- nuclear power plants.
Rense: Nuclear power plants. They would have found the nearest plant. They would have taken three or four plants out and that would have been the end of the eastern seaboard of the United States.
Shimatsu: Well we know that nuclear power plants have been under attack through computer systems.
Rense: Correct.
Shimatsu: Attacking critical infrastructure. So we don't have to wait for airplanes to come crashing in. All you need is for someone to shut down the generators that run the pump. By the time we get them up again, it will be too late. So you know, they are very vulnerable. We have a very malicious virus out there, very difficult to stop, attacking those nuclear power plants all over the United States, all over Europe, and so on. We don't have to wait, whether terrorists, or whether just some crazed actor, or some agenda by some elite party. We don't know who is doing it, but they are under attack at this very moment that we are speaking.
Rense. That is a very important point Yoichi. One crazed hacker. That is all it takes. We are going to take a break here for a couple of minutes and then come right back. As we go to the break, let me remind you that one hacker, and that virus is still out there, it didn't just go away. The Stux virus is there, lying in wait, in untold numbers of computers waiting to be spread and to do its thing. OK, we'll be right back with Yoichi Shimatsu in a couple of minutes. [Start of music, 1:15:55]
Rense: We are back, talking about the unfolding disaster in Japan, which appears certain to pose a real crises. We need to get busy on it right now here in the States. We don't know what is going to happen, but let us plan now folks and not wait until it is too late. The latest story I am getting here, the New York Times, Hiroko Tabuchi reports that a small group of workers still remains at the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant, contrary to what an English translation of what the chief cabin secretary Edano remarks had implied. So the situation remains unclear there.
Shimatsu: Right.
Rense: Hopefully you will be able to get on that and advise me and others about what the man really said. Translation is always an issue. It would not surprise me if they did pull the workers out at all, I mean the radiation levels are so high they are dead. So when do you draw the line?
Shimatsu: Well, obviously they are going to pull back workers in specific units in the reactors when [unintelligible -- gases] and really bleed out some of this explosive gas, they will do that, and I think that is what is going on. Once that gases is let out, and it is disbursed, they can go back in.
Rense: Got it.
Shimatsu: Like I said, this is a drama that is going to be happening for weeks ahead, so we just have to used to the fact that there are going to be explosions, there are going to be pullouts, and they are going to try to get back in there and restore water supplies and all that. The other thing is that my mobile phone may be experiencing a melt-down because I am running out of battery power, so if I do shut down, it will be because my phone is going out.
Rense: Well, we have just got about eight minutes left, so maybe it will work.
Shimatsu: All right.
Rense: OK, so this has been fascinating. We have a big debate over here. There is a panic underway in this country already, and it has to do with potassium iodide and iodate. People are mistakenly under the impression that that will protect their entire bodies to some degree from radioactivity. It will not, as you know.
Shimatsu: No, no.
Rense: In fact, I am against people taking it without strict supervision and an understanding of what they are doing. It will only affect the thyroid gland. What is the position of the Japanese government on potassium iodide?
Shimatsu: As you correctly state, it is a limited blocker. Basically your thyroid -- we all have iodide salts to take care of our thyroid gland. Our thyroids naturally absorbs iodide, most of which is healthy and necessary for our bodies. Unfortunately when uranium decays and with sufficient processes release iodine 131, which will then enter your thyroid gland, cause all kinds of glandular, you know your thyroid controls all your organs. It will create a lot of disturbing symptoms for your organs, and basically mess up your control system. And also, you could get thyroid cancers. Potassium iodide is only effective there, and you should only take it when exposed to high levels of iodide. It does not do anything against Cesium or any of the other kinds of isotopes.
Rense: OK. So we don't want to be taking any of this folks as a daily prophylactic, please, thank you. The thyroid is the control gland based on your body's metabolism and all the endocrine glands are integrally inter-related. If one goes out of whack, then they all suffer, so it is a delicate balance between the thyroid and the other glands in the body. That is why it is so important to try to protect it. But not at the expense of damaging it, which is exactly what K-1 can do. So folks be careful about that. What is the Japanese government --
Shimatsu: You can get overdosed with the potassium. Use only in that particular time and moment. And any kind of radiation -- there is no steady fall out. It comes and goes. You have got to watch out during the spikes, and then it will be reduced to back ground levels.
Rense: Right.
Shimatsu: So you have got to be very, very rational about this. And that is why local government, health authorities, have to try to get to people information about fall out -- where it occurs, if it does reach the United States or other countries.
Rense: By the way, the radioactive iodine has a very short half life. By the time it gets over here, if it does get over here, much of it will have dissipated. So it is not something that --
Shimatsu: Most of it will dissipate, that is correct.
Rense: The big one to worry about -- cesium --
Shimatsu: Cesium. Actually cesium is the greater problem over the long run. It gets into the grain supplies and into the food supplies.
Rense: Well, it goes into the soil and the plants uptake it, and they are harvested.
Shimatsu: That is right.
Rense: So if we get a big dose of Cesium over the bread belt, the bread basket of the United States, a lot of farmers are going to be out of luck and out of business, and you think food prices are high now folks, wait until you see what happens. So no more backyard gardens. If you are dosed, you can't do that. Your dirt will be contaminated. If you have got a backyard garden, we have a radioactive problem, it might be a good idea to cover that with large sheets of plastic until the danger is passed to protect your soil. Cesium has a half life -- it is dangerous for thirty five years, I understand.
Shimatsu: Yes, yes. You are absolutely correct. That is why timely information, if it is going to be localized fall-out, you actually do that, cover your back yard, where [and] when you throw away raincoats and so on. Wear face masks. After it passes, we are going to go back to background levels. Again this is preparation. This is civil defense preparation. You don't get a whole nation panicked and in your underground bunkers for the next ten years. This is a danger that comes and goes if it does arise. And it will be dispersed, there will not be any -- but it does build up in the body. There is a long term stretch that has to be monitored and watched. It is as simple as that. There is nothing to be totally afraid or panicked about.
Rense: There are things that can be taken, that will actually reduce the amount of radioactivity and radiation and effects in the body, we know that. There are cleansers and detoxifiers out there. We will be talking more about that on this program tomorrow night, in fact. What I would like to ask again, we have seen pictures of empty supermarket shelves in Tokyo. Panic. What is the government trying to do to psychologically -- besides lie, which fortunately it is not doing so much of anymore -- to psychologically calm the public? To arm them with knowledge. What is it doing overtly, Yoichi?
Shimatsu: Well this is why the government finally had to -- raised the censorship level after the first 24 hours but then within the first two days it lowered it again and after three days lowered it again. It realized the lack of information was causing a lot of public distrust. The public was therefore panicking and stocking up on food supplies because they realized that if there is a melt-down, the power system will go down again, which means the logistics are going to go down. Food, fuel and things will not be delivered to the storage. So that is why people are stocking up. Now the government being a little more truthful now, you know, regained its credibility. So this lowers the level of public panic. I think that this is why truthfulness of information, disclosure, very timely, very quick, with some explanation -- I think one of the problems is the Japanese government is not giving enough scientific explanations. So people are really worried about these blasts. They do not understand the chemistry of the blasts. So you do need experts, instead of reassuring you, like we are seeing with spreading [of nuclear spokesmen?-- unintelligible] we do need proper scientists, engineers, or experts, people who have had experience, maintenance men even, where they can explain this stuff to people.
Rense: Well, like you do so marvelously in your writing. Here is an encouraging story. The Vancouver British Columbia provincial government is recommending pharmacies not dispense potassium iodide for sale in connection to the nuclear problem in Japan because it is dangerous. It is recommended of the BC officials that the pharmacies not dispense or stockpile.
Shimatsu: That is right.
Rense: Some pharmacies have reported a big run on sales of iodide tablets and I am afraid right now there are people taking these things every day thinking they are going to prepare themselves.
Shimatsu: They are going to be very misinformed. I mean in Chernobyl most of the iodide fell within the vicinity of the plant. Some of it drifted over to neighboring countries. But the rest of the world was not affected by the Iodine 131. So it is not a major threat over long distance. It would only be if we had this really, really intense concentration coming over. And at that time it will still be very localized where that fall-out would occur, and at that time you would dispense for a short amount of time until that cloud passes over, and you would do monitoring and so on.
Rense: We have a lot of people now talking about buying Geiger counters, and so forth. This of course is a reflex of great concern on the part of people. Is this healthy or non-healthy? Do we rely on universities? Do we rely on the government to give us the truth? What do we do?
Shimatsu: The problem with a Geiger counter is that it does not help you a lot when you have atmospheric fall-out. Because a Geiger counter is useful like when you find uranium in the ground from mineral deposits. And the problem is in terms of human health the Geiger measurements are not very useful. The ticking that you hear from Geiger counters, what you are talking about is micro or millisieverts, and they are very much harder to determine. And the question of time, the hours of exposures, are all very critical. And I have done this kind of monitoring in the past, and believe me it is very, very difficult to tell what actually is going on. When you hit the threshold of a threat to hell. This is why it should be done by professionals in university labs, and so on, meteorological centers, weather stations, they should be the ones who are doing this, because they can have much more accurate equipment and take much more precise calculations, and they can tell you how much longer the danger will last with various fallout. Trying to do it on your own, believe me, have done it before and I have just quickly forgotten. In fact, do not remember right now how to do it. I have a receiver counter. I have been trying to get it up before, but I have kind of lost the instruction manual. It is very, very difficult to measure. Not something for a layman to do.
Rense: Very good point. Yoichi, you have been brilliant tonight, thank you very much for being here. I look forward to working with you, and if there is anything I can do to help you, let me know, please, by all means send me your materials and we will put them right up.
Shimatsu: Yes, well, my camera man and recording team are up there in the hot zone. I just hope that they are OK, and I hope that they can pull through for everyone else out there and give them the information that they need.
Rense: Well, all right, I am here to help, and thank you my friend very much. We will talk again.
Shimatsu: All right. OK. Good night.
Rense: All right, well there you go. And I think you heard I think the suggestion that if we do have a problem here, of covering your garden with plastic is a prudent one. He talked about disposable rubber raincoats and you can buy those pretty cheap. If you have to go out at all in any situation where we are not flat-lining [in a post-fallout situation], where we have got spikes [during fallout], you want to wear a face mask. I do recommend N95. That is all you need. That is the rating of a mask. N95 mask. Make sure it fits firmly around your face. Put that on, and in most cases you are going to be OK. You don't obviously want any skin exposed, so you want to cover up. But this is going to be a situation that will be obviously an extreme spike. Most people will not want to go outdoors. All right, we will be right back with hour number three in just a few minutes.

 

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Yoichi Shimatsu

"Yoichi Shimatsu is a free lance journalist based in Hong Kong. He is former Editor of the Japan Times Weekly. Mr. Yoi is a former Tsinghua University lecturer. He's also Senior Advisor to The 4th Media, the English Website of the April Media Group. He's been regularly writing to several global media outlets including US, China and so on. He's been frequently sitting on CCTV News, Blue Ocean Network TV and other global media outlets in China, Hong Kong and other countries." (Quotation source: The 4th Media web page)

 

 

Yoichi Shimatsu sample articles


2011-03-27 Attack on Libya: Why Odyssey Dawn Is Doomed, globalresearch.ca
2011-03-18 The Next Nagasaki -- Nuclear Fears Stalk the World, exclusive to Rense.com, [Globalresearch.ca]
2011-03-17 Tohoku Quake & Tsunami Monitor "Full Metal Alchemy" by Yoichi Shimatsu
2011-03-15 Fukushima Reactor 2 Hit By Loud INTERNAL Explosion
Tohoku Quake And Tsunami Monitor 4 - 'Internal Combustion'
by Yoichi Shimatsu
2011-03-13 VIDEO: Cover-up Over Japan's Nuclear Emergency, Breaking news on GRTV,[Globalresearch.ca]
2011-03-13 Emergency Special Report: Japan's Earthquake, Hidden Nuclear Catastrophe Emergency Reports I, II, and III, Rense.com, [Globalresearch.ca]
2011-03-11 Japan's Tsunami: Human Failings, Not Nature's Power, Are the Real Calamity New America Media, News Analysis
2011-02-28 Mideast Revolutions and 9-11 intrigues crafted in Qatar, The 4th Media, [en.m4.cn]
2011-02-24 America's Next War Looms in Libya, The 4th Media, [en.m4.cn]
2011-02-17 U.S. Secretly Backed the Brotherhood's Soft-Power Strategy in Egypt, The 4th Media, [en.m4.cn]
2011-02-04 The New American Moment in Egypt: Taking aim at Mubarak's nuclear program, The 4th Media, [en.m4.cn]
2011-01-12 Comments on Liu Xiaobo's Attack on Nobel Peace Laureate [late South Korean President] Kim Dae-jung, The 4th Media, [en.m4.cn]
2010-11-30 The Shadow of 'America's Caesar' Haunts Korean Military Exercises, The 4th Media, [en.m4.cn]
2010-11-24 North Korea "Crisis": In a Multipolar World, Security Equals Nukes, The 4th Media, [en.m4.cn]
2010-11-17 Obama's anxious message puzzles contented Asians, The 4th Media, [en.m4.cn]
2010-10-18 Nobel Committee Aiming for War And Domination in The Name of Peace, New America Media. The fact that an open warmonger heads the Nobel Peace Committee has completely discredited what was once the world’s most prestigious Peace Prize," [Globalresearch.ca]
2010-05-27 Did an American Mine Sink South Korean Ship? New America Media, News Analysis, [Globalresearch.ca]
2008-12-09 What if Lashkar-e-Taiba Is a Scapegoat? Blame Game over Mumbai Massacre Could Doom Kashmir, New America Media, Commentary
2008-11-28 Did a Criminal Mastermind Stage the Mumbai Nightmare? "New American Media, "The Mumbai attacks carry the signature of Ibrahim Dawood, a Indian living in Pakistan and former crime boss turned self-styled avenger."
2008-04-06 The Real Reason For The Tibet Protests, AsianWeek
1999-10-20 Reports Showing U.S. Deliberately Bombed Chinese Embassy Deliberately Ignored By U.S. Media by Yoichi Shimatsu, JINN Magazine, Issue No. 5.21.

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Bright Skies: Top-Secret Weapons Testing? – Part 3

The Banjawarn sheep station soon became newsworthy due to its purchase and occupation in 1993 by the Japanese sect, the Aum Supreme Truth (Aum Shinrikyo), of Tokyo subway gas-attack fame. The sect’s stated purpose at that time was “to conduct experiments there [at Banjawarn] for the benefit of mankind”. It was reported in the media in 1995 that Aum sect members had experimented there with sarin nerve gas on sheep-as a prelude to the Tokyo gas attack on 20 March 1995.

The Aum sect’s deputy leader, Kiyohide Hayakawa, visited Perth in April 1993. Aided by Perth-based Japanese Mahikari sect agent, Japanese-born Yasuko Shimada, he hired a light plane and flew with a Perth real estate consultant (Japanese-Australian, Micky Webb) out to the northeastern Goldfields to view several “for sale” sheep stations.

Interestingly, in his pre-Aum days, Hayakawa had studied for his Masters degree at Osaka University in “Greening Technology”. His thesis is marked highly confidential and is under top-secret wraps. The University authorities originally stated that he studied “Anti-Desertification” in the Climate Engineering department. However, Japanese investigative journalist Yoichi Shimatsu (see web site www.pelago.com) has uncovered strong evidence that this department is a cover for secret Japanese electromagnetic (EM) weapons research. More recently, in response to Shimatsu’s published story concerning Hayakawa’s true area of study, Osaka University now insists that Hayakawa studied “Landscape Engineering”. The outcome of the deployment of certain types of EM weapons is, if you like, a higher order of “Landscape Engineering”!

Additional References Regarding Misc. Topics covered by Yoichi Shimatsu

Special Issue: Aum Shinrikyo: Once and Future Threat by Kyle B. Olson, cdc.gov.

 




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