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[Music from Merle Haggard "Let's Liberate America First"...narration
resumes at :57] And now here is Jamie Kelso.
Jamie Kelso: Welcome to the program folks,
this is Jamie Kelso on the Voice of Reason Broadcast Network
here on December 6, 2010. And this is going to be another very
special evening. We have live guests tonight, Mrs. Edgar J.
Steele, her attorney Wesley Hoyt, and a previous guest who appeared
with Mr. Hoyt, Roland Hinkson. We will be talking about -- well,
I was looking for a theme here tonight -- I will get to that
in just a moment -- first I want to welcome our three guests.
Mrs. Steele, thank you for joining us.
Mrs. Steele: Well, Hi Jamie and thank you for
Kelso: And Mr. Hoyt?
Attorney Hoyt: Yes, it is good to be with you
Kelso: And joining us also on the phone is
Roland Hinkson. And we are honored to have you here with us
Roland Hinkson: Thank you. Glad to be here.
Kelso: For those of you who have not heard
Mrs. Steele, Mr. Hoyt or Mr. Hinkson, we have been talking in
nine previous programs on the Jamie Kelso Show, we have been
talking about the process of railroading patriots into prison.
And thereby those people who are doing this, I believe, many
of us believe, that is an attempt to shut down the patriot cause.
To intimidate patriots, to silence patriots, to frighten patriots,
and we will be talking about two examples of this tonight. One
of them involves Mr. Edgar J. Steele. He is a patriot, First
Amendment Attorney, practicing out of northern Idaho, who at
this moment is languishing in solitary confinement where he
has been for five months in Spokane, Washington.
Mrs. Steele: Actually six months now.
Kelso: And the other is David Hinkson, who
is the son of Roland Hinkson, and he was also railroaded as
Edgar Steele is being railroaded. He is now in the Florence,
Colorado --what is that Mr. Hinkson, a super max prison?
Mr. Hinkson: Yes, ADX
[Florence] is a supermax. It is the replacement for Alcatraz.
Kelso: And how many years has he been in prison?
Mr. Hinkson: He has been since, let's see,
seven years now, Wes?
Attorney Hoyt: Yes, that is right.
Mr. Hinkson: Yes.
Kelso: And the total sentence that he carries
is, how long?
Mr. Hinkson: 33 years. He will be in his 90's
by the time he comes out.
Kelso: Now ladies and gentlemen, we are not
making this up. David Hinkson did no wrong. He did not injure
any one. He did not defraud anyone. He did absolutely nothing
wrong. He is in prison because he was a successful patriot.
Edgar Steele, likewise, did nothing wrong. Absolutely nothing
wrong. It is not as if he is in prison on the wrong charge or
they are being too tough on him. Edgar Steele is as innocent
as the driven snow. He has done nothing wrong. In both
cases, the Hinkson case and the Steele case, a completely fabricated
case, has been made against a patriot to get them in prison,
to shut them up, to terrify the rest of the patriot cause, and
shut the rest of us up. And what we are about here on this program,
and this series of programs with Mrs. Steele, Mr. Hinkson, and
Mr. Hoyt, is we want to get this message out that this is happening
to us, and get you folks out there in the audience, get you
mobilized so that you can defend not only Mr. Steele and Mr.
Hinkson, but defend yourself, defend your family, the future,
and your people. Because if it can be done to Mr. Hinkson and
Mr. Steele, it certainly can be done to any of us.
Now Mrs. Steele, what I want to -- let me hit the big news here
first. One of the goals of this show is to get this news out
on a broader basis, is to get even bigger shows than this one
with bigger audiences than this one to pick up this story. To
put it on the air. And we have a big success to announce on
this show right here in that regard tonight at midnight. Correct
me if any of my details are wrong, Mrs. Steele or Mr. Hoyt,
tonight at midnight the very large Jeff Rense radio program
is going to carry Cyndi. Steele for the first time. Right Mrs.
Mrs. Steele: That is for the first time, and
is that Eastern Time?
Mrs. Steele: OK, well we have to keep the time
Kelso: I am going on to the Jeff Rense web
site. I apologize for not having checked this before the program
time, but through this show here we will verify that. But it
is the Rense program tonight. And Cyndi Steele will be a guest
tomorrow night again on the Jeff Rense program, and this is
an enormous piece of good news folks, because Jeff Rense's audience
is immense. All the other radio hosts listen to Jeff Rense.
So you can be sure a hundred other radio show hosts are going
to hear Mrs. Steele's story tonight. And so we want that message
to go out that it is time for patriots to assemble, to support
Edgar Steele, to beat this railroading effort. We want
to talk about this process of railroading. It is so bad, that
it is hard to believe that it is going on in our country. But
it is. Wesley Hoyt, one of our guests here, is a former prosecutor
and is a top notch attorney. He will help you know, he will
help you open your eyes. This is really going on, folks. We
are not making this up. Then the other thing I want to mention
at the beginning here, and I will mention it in the middle and
at the end. What is needed, and you can help in many ways, but
one way if you can help with money, please help with money.
And here is the place at which you can do that. It is a web
site. Get your pencils out. It is
free-edgar-steele.com. There is a PayPal button there. There
is a mailing address. You can contribute in different ways.
Mrs. Steele authorizes this web site and the content on that
web site, and anything that you contribute will go exclusively
to defending Edgar Steele. And Mrs. Steele is here to vouch
for that. So during the show can I -- go ahead --
Mrs. Steele: Well, I also want to say it is
not just to free my husband. It is to help stop this from happening
to others, and to stand up and put a stop where nobody else
is railroaded unjustly into the prison system.
Kelso: Let me point out another message to
you also. Those of you who can contribute a large sum of money
or a big sum of money please do so. Those of you who can donate
$10 is insignificant, please don't think that. There are a lot
of people listening to this show. A lot more are going to be
listening throughout the evening. This show is archived. Many
of you are hearing this message. Your ten dollars added with
the ten dollar contributions of thousands of others can raise
the money necessary to properly defend Edgar Steele. Now let
me say this also. Mr. Hoyt, Mrs. Steele, and others know exactly
where this money should be spent. Very top notch legal counsel
is ready to go to defend Edgar Steele. So this money has a definite
purpose and everything you contribute will be put to very good
Attorney Hoyt: Jamie, can I speak a moment
on this subject?
Attorney Hoyt: There have been a wonderful
group of people who have already made substantial contributions.
We have had contributions as large as $1,000 from some very
generous people. The total that has come in today is about just
over 10% of what we need to be able to not only hire this outstanding
attorney who has offered his time in this case, but also to
hire the expert witnesses. There are numerous expert witnesses
that are needed. For instance we need an expert on the audio
issue, with these phone tapes that they have come up with, on
the bomb itself that was on Mrs. Steele's car, and the third
expert is [on] the FBI as to the procedures. They have violated
their own procedures over and over again in this case. We cannot
get to first base without the money necessary. What we need
is a quarter of a million dollars to hire both attorneys and
have experts. And only -- I hate to cheapen this -- and go just
to the level of money, but that is what it boils down to. We
have gone every which way we can. And the only thing that is
going to make this happen is when we get the money. And I do
not think your listeners are really just contributing to Edgar
Steele. I think they need to realize if we do not stop it here,
that they have already done it many times, hundreds of times.
In fact, a university, New York law school professor by the
name of Stephen F. Downs said that they have been fabricating
cases and he knows of a thousand cases where they have
done it. Look, it will not take long [for them] to get to your
listeners' door steps. If they are true patriots, sooner or
a later they are going to say the wrong thing at the wrong time
and they are going to get it. And if we don't put a stop to
this nonsense now by protecting Ed Steele, and others from these
-- we have got provable evidence in this case of total fraud.
But without the money to make it to court, and to get the job
done, we are going to be lost.
Kelso: Thank you Wes. And let me add a clarification
here Mr. Hoyt. On the Jeff Rense program, this is big, big news
coming up tonight. Jeff Rense is on from 7:00 to 10:00 PM Pacific
Time. So that translates to 10:00 PM to 1:00 AM East Coast Time.
So 10:00 PM to 1:00 East Coast, and as I understand it, Mrs.
Steele is scheduled to be on his program live tonight
from midnight to 1:00 AM. So I will be tuning in to that and
you will be able to get in there and post and put up comments
on Jeff Rense's program. Send in messages to Mr. Rense. Send
in big "Thank Yous" to Mr. Rense for being a first
big time radio host to step forward and put this story on the
air. And that is exactly what we were hoping would happen, and
here it is happening tonight, so please thank Jeff Rense for
doing that, and then let's keep the process rolling. Now, let
us get into the subject tonight, which is the process of railroading.
This is what happened to your son, Mr. Hinkson. This is what
is happening to Cyndi Steele's husband right now. I took some
notes earlier in some of our earlier shows, and let me just
give a quick thumb nail here how I am hearing it, how I am understanding
it. And you are educating me, Mr. Hoyt, as to how this is done.
Here is some of the steps as I understand them. What these prosecutors
will do, state or federal, first they will get a patriot on
some nominal violation or charge. Step two, they will get a
cooperating witness. Someone who -- a corrupt person, who for
money or some other favor will on hearsay testimony accuse the
innocent person of a crime they did not commit. In this case,
Mr. Steele's case, it is not a nominal violation. They are accusing
him of attempting to murder his wife. They have the
cooperating witness Larry Fairfax. Then a third step that they
will take is that once, as they file these charges, they will
then bring in inflated charges to scare the judge, so that you,
the patriot, being held in prison, will now be denied bail,
and will therefore not be able to defend yourself as Edgar Steele
is not able to now, even though he is a great attorney. So they
get the bail off with some inflated, made-up story, that you
are a threat to the public. Totally untrue. Step Four, with
this, they are now where they have got you in jail, they are
scaring off your own friends, your own network, even your own
family. Being frightened, terrified, and silenced. And then
the next step is they will then bring in new charges while you
are in incarceration, bring in new charges as you attempt to
defend yourself and communicate with your family and your friends.
Charges such as witness tampering simply by talking
with people trying to help yourself. Then the next step, I have
got this listed as step six, the kangaroo court itself where
all sorts of procedures can be followed to defeat actual real
justice. You, the defendant, having now been imprisoned, can
go to court without proper representation. Without the proper
preparation for your case, whereas the prosecutor has an unlimited
budget to go after you. Then there is a following step, a sentencing
step where patriots can be given maximum sentences, and piled
on maximum sentences, and then, well, those are the steps that
I have got here. Mr Hoyt can you comment on that, and Cyndi
Steele please, can you please comment on how this has been done
to your husband?
Attorney Hoyt: Yes, Jamie, I would be happy
to . Basically the government has just figured out that when
they want to get somebody, that they can do it. And it doesn't
matter -- to get the nominal charges up to anything as serious
as murder for hire, just anything along the way, I mean we now
are aware taking the water out from your rain gutters and putting
it into your garden has become a crime. A little boy was hand-cuffed
at school and taken off to jail and prosecuted because another
child gave him his lunch. It was because his lunch was a free
lunch program, and the other little boy was hungry, and the
one who got the free lunch handed it to his friend. And literally
he was arrested and taken away in handcuffs. I mean, stupid
little charges are -- the government -- you talk about piling
on, all the new laws, there is this new law Senate Bill 510
that makes it illegal and highly regulates health food stores.
And the growing of your own vegetables is going to be regulated
in farmers markets, and they are going to make crimes out of
these things, so that every area of life is now being invaded
in such a manner so that they can bring new charges against
people, when of course a cooperating witness is someone who
is usually a criminal, and usually the government is going to
cut their existing sentence and reduce it for them if they will
come in and lie. And that is exactly what they have done. We
have seen them do it over and over again. And often times these
cooperating witnesses will steal from the targeted individual
as they did in Edgar's case. They stole $45,000 from Edgar and
Cyndi in silver savings, and he gets away with that. That is
the new program. Instead of paying the witness directly, they
just let him get away with theft. And so now Larry Fairfax has
enriched himself to the extent of $45,000. No one will prosecute
him for it. He will get to keep the money. That is his incentive
for doing that. Plus, they did not even charge him with the
serious offenses he has committed. Putting a bomb on somebody's
car is a thirty year offense. That is a crime of violence. And
there is a specific statute that deals with the use of an explosive
device in a crime of violence. They charge Edgar Steele with
that, but they did not charge the guy who committed the violation,
Larry Fairfax. So there is an art form here, where they charge
Fairfax with very minor offenses, and then they quickly do a
plea bargain, let him plead to that so his case is in no double
jeopardy, he is not at risk anymore. Then he becomes the fall
guy. He goes to court and says, "Oh, I did all these things"
and takes all the heat off of the FBI which in this case is
corrupt, the evidence shows that they knew there was a bomb
on Cyndi Steele's car. And they did not bother to tell anybody
about it. They let her drive for three weeks, through three
states, endangering lots of people, and it is a small miracle
that bomb did not go off. So then you have in the inflated bail
charges, as they did in David Hinkson's case, and they did this
in Edgar Steele's case, they said that all of these individuals
had a list of people they wanted to kill. Not only did they
want to kill the main victim, Cyndi Steele and her mother-in-law
in Edgar's case, and three federal officials in David Hinkson's
case, no, that was not bad enough. They came to court and claimed
that David Hinkson had a list of other people he wanted to kill
and so the judge [says] "You cannot let this horrible person
go. You cannot let him get out on bond because he might kill
somebody else. Well, of course, he never intended to kill anybody.
But they make it up. And then, as time goes on, those kinds
of allegations disappear because they are completely unfounded.
If the judge hears them at the bond hearing, he is scared by
it, so the individual can't get out of jail. Then the -- it
is almost like they had a playbook from the KGB that they are
following at putting away political dissenters and dissidents.
They know exactly how to do it. They scare off -- they demonize
people immediately. When Edgar Steele was arrested, bingo, they
had press releases from the SPLC, Southern Poverty Law Center
guys. What do those people have to do with Edgar Steele's case
in northern Idaho. And yet, one of those top individuals, a
guy named Mark Potok, a director, was pictured on the news explaining
why it is that Edgar Steele had committed this horrible offense
which never happened. And why were they involved? Well, the
answer is that they were part of setting him up. And they try
to steer anyone that has anything to do with Edgar Steele so
that they don't want to associate with him. They don't want
to give money to him. They don't want to help him. And they
did that to David Hinkson. They invented all kinds of things
about David. He was the head of two militias according to the
FBI and the government press releases. So they demonize the
individual in the press, and then they come up with new charges
after the initial set of charges are made. They come up with
more charges because they can pile on the years in prison by
simply saying that they committed more offenses after the first
arrest. Then the kangaroo court in David Hinkson's case was
disgusting. There were so many different pieces of evidence
that would have allowed David Hinkson to go free, and the judge
said, "No, that will only confuse the jury. We will not
admit that evidence before the jury for it's consideration."
I mean, what can you do? If you can prove that you are innocent,
and the judge will not allow the evidence in, then the whole
system is rigged and it is a kangaroo court.
Kelso: Let me address that Mr. Hoyt. What can
you do? That is what we are about on this show tonight. And
this is what Jeff Rense is going to be about and other patriot
hosts that are going to carry this story. What we can do folks
is defend our own people. Defend our own patriots en masse and
defeat this strategy by big public pressure. Those of you that
cannot contribute money call your Congressman. Call as many
officials as you can. Post on the Internet. Call radio hosts.
Mrs. Steele is ready to appear on all radio shows.
Go for television, go big. This is a big story. But what we
can do is when these rogue elements -- when these police state
elements -- within our own government want to shut down the
patriot cause and destroy our republic, when they target someone
like Edgar Steele or David Hinkson, we have to react as a group,
defend our brothers and sisters, and not let them get picked
off one by one.
Mr. Hinkson: Jamie, do you have time for me
Kelso: Yes, Mr. Hinkson, please.
Mr. Hinkson: OK, we have finished a book here,
that lays out the strategy that we think is the most effective
strategy that is available to us now, considering the fact that
we cannot do anything other than expose these people. So exposure
is the main tool, and I have written a book that can serve as
a handbook almost for people who want to present something to
their legislators and to their friends that tell exactly the
details, all the details, exactly how they pulled this off,
what they did, who was involved, and how the government got
behind it. And I summarized in the six paragraphs at the end
of the book -- [Music in the background]
Kelso: Roland, Roland. If you will hold that
thought, we will be back right after this news break right after
the rest of our program. Thank you. [start of music and news
break 26:03, end of break at: 30:43]
Kelso: Welcome back folks, as we went into
our break, we were hearing from the father of David Hinkson,
Roland Hinkson. And let me give Mr. Hinkson's web site address
so that you have a follow up vocation there. It is RolandHinksonfiles.com,
and then I will give another contact here. You mentioned free-edgar-steele.com,
that is their web site. There is also a facebook page which
is simply FreeEdgarSteele
on facebook, and you can get information and connect up
with people who are helping there as well. Now and by the way,
I mentioned Mr. Hinkson. I have spoken with your son by phone.
He has called me from the Florence prison in Colorado, I have
spoken with your son. What an outstanding man David Hinkson
is. It is simply criminal folks that he has been in prison.
I am sorry, I know you said it, and I have forgotten. What year
did David, your son go into prison, Mr. Hinkson?
Mr. Hinkson: He went in 2005.
Attorney Hoyt: That is when he was sentenced.
He has been in jail since --
Mr. Hinkson: Since about 2003, wasn't it Wes?
Attorney Hoyt: Early 2003 .
Mr. Hinkson: He was arrested, I think, April
4th of 2003, and then put in solitary confinement and held there
a year and three months before they charged him with anything,
while they were building a case, and they substituted the accuser,
because the first one had too many felonies that were current.
She kept committing felonies, so they substituted her with another
felon, and he got put away, but only for a year.
Kelso: And folks, this is that famous cooperating
witness that any of us who go into this railroading process,
any of us who go into this can count on it, we can face the
cooperating witness, and this will be a scum bag, a dirt ball.
And if you have a prosecutor, a rogue prosecutor who wants you
in prison, and they can't find that cooperating witness, they
will manufacture one, they will produce one, they will recruit
one. They will find someone in your environment, they will put
them in your environment, a dirt ball, a lowlife, who will say
anything, do anything in the case of Larry Fairfax. He did.
He admits he put a bomb, a lethal bomb under the driver's seat
of our guest, Mrs. Steele's car. And he is scheduled, now let
me mention this, he was scheduled -- and folks in this audience
you are asked to come if you can -- if you can be helpful, to
come to the December 16th sentencing procedure at the Court
House in Coeur d'Alene. And the date on that has been removed.
The date is now February 7th, change that on your calendar,
it is February 7th at 2:30 PM, at the Court House. Which court
house is that, Mr. Hoyt?
Attorney Hoyt: Coeur d'Alene.
Kelso: The Coeur d'Alene Court House at 2:30
PM on February 7th, and we will keep you apprised on this show
of any other changes. But that gives more time for the patriot
outrage and uproar to build, and as people know, politicians
don't see the light until they feel the heat. And that is what
we are trying to generate here is the heat. And let me mention
once again later tonight on the very, very big Jeff Rense radio
program, Mr. Rense has done a great thing, and he is going to
have Cyndi Steele on as a guest tonight at midnight, East Coast
time, from midnight to 1:00. So please listen to that program.
And of course I know Edgar Steele myself personally. I have
spoken with David Hinkson on the phone and was very impressed
with him. And I know Edgar Steele and his wife Cyndi Steele
so of course I know myself how completely implausible,
how completely idiotic that he be charged with attempting to
murder the wife that he loves and her mother. And with no motive.
No motive, not any conceivable motive. And no evidence, by the
way. It is all hearsay, stuff from the cooperating witness,
this dirt ball who will say anything against the target, the
patriot target. Cyndi, could I let you get in a few words here.
Mrs. Steele: Well, you know, you are talking
about the email -- that my husband didn't do it. I know that
my husband hasn't an inkling of any violence in him.
And throughout the years, even in his writings, people have
seen how he has been behind us and supported me. And I go back
and read what he has written. In 2006 he talks about me and
the kids being his rock. And how healthy and robust his family
life, and how his wife, me, of 21 years, respects his opinions,
have even shared a great many of them, and how his kids are
proud of him. And that we all love each other a lot, and that
describes to a"T" how my husband has always treated
me, and felt about me, even in front of me, brags to my kids.
Even in 2007 -- and I am glad he still feels this way -- he
still thinks of me as a babe after all these years, and better
than he deserves with a heart of gold and an eternally forgiving
nature. And that was in 2007, and in 2008, you know he talks
about that before he married me, well 25 years now, but that
was 23 years ago [then], he promised me that he would never
hit me, that things would never be boring, and you know, I can
tell you he kept his word. And in fact, he has actually kept
his word even beyond that, because he has even never given me
a reason to fear him, or to be concerned about anything. He
has always treated me right. Now as for the boring part, he
kept his word on that, I will say right now I felt no little
boredom by having him home.
Kelso: Mrs. Steele, tell the audience, our
theme here tonight we are talking about the process of railroading.
And one of the things that was done to you, and Wes, you are
familiar with the pattern here because you have helped handle
a number of people like David Hinkson, and you are helping others.
The pattern here is that the support network of the target,
Edgar Steele or David Hinkson, is targeted by the prosecutors,
or the rogue agents in general, targeted to demoralize you,
to break your will, to confuse you, to feed you false facts
and mislead you, to separate you from your loved one, the target.
And folks, this is an historic show here tonight. All these
nine shows we have done with Cyndi Steele. Rarely do you get
a chance with a person like Cyndi Steele who is the target --
she is the person who is supposed to be blown up, with a real
bomb that the bad guy Larry Fairfax had admitted making, and
there was another bomb too, but we will not have time to get
into that tonight. Rarely do you get a chance that all this
Federal and state effort to demoralize a victim like Cyndi Steele
fails utterly. And Cyndi Steele appears on national radio, international
radio, so that everyone can hear what a rotten, railroading
process this is, and what a corruption of a great American system,
and we have got to fight to bring this back, because when you
lose the law, folks, what do you have? If there is no law --
if we have a Mexican system of justice -- a KGB-Soviet-style
system of justice, we are in real trouble. So would
you address that Cyndi and Roland too. How did they work on
you to break you down, to make you quit?
Mrs. Steele: Well initially, the day that the
two FBI agents showed up on my doorstep, they were doing everything
to make me believe that my mom and my life were at risk of being
-- well, that we were at risk of being murdered that very morning.
And even though one of the first sentences out of their mouths
was a lie, and I was going "No way," they still had
me believing that there were two people out there that were
going to run us off the road. Now despite what I believed, they
had me believing our life was in danger because I knew that
my husband and I had been subjected to threats. The one agent,
upon talking with him, was doing everything in his mind, in
his power, to make me think differently of my husband. At one
point he tells me that he did not know my husband before June
8th, he had no idea who he was or what he stood for, and in
the same breath turned around and told me that my husband was
a liar. Which, it was like he had to try to make me believe
that my husband is a liar so that I am going to believe them.
Kelso: Yes, and folks --
Mrs. Steele: And any time I would try to give
my point of view on the tape, he would become argumentative,
defensive, and did not even want to hear why I felt bad about
the tapes. I could not get that out. I was wrong [in his eyes],
and he wouldn't do that, and he kept pressuring me that I had
to think his way about the tapes. Not what I thought, it did
not matter. I had to think his way.
Kelso: Yes, and folks, what Mrs. Steele is
talking about here is manufactured evidence. Fabricated evidence.
Attorney Hoyt: Witness tampering also, Jamie.
Kelso: By the government.
Attorney Hoyt: Yes.
Mr. Hinkson: -- Jamie, David had an activated
tape in his shirt pocket when they arrested him. The FBI agent
said that he gave him his Miranda warning. And they inadvertently
overlooked the tape, until it was into it, and they forgot to
erase it, and you can see that they were lying through their
teeth. Yes, the FBI agent Will Long stood up and under oath
said that he had given him this Miranda warning. And the judge
said it was immaterial anyway. It doesn't make any difference,
in fact whether or not he did or didn't give him an early warning.
David asked for his attorney and they said he never asked for
an attorney and they went on to say that he confessed -- and
confessed to what? So they just make up their cock and bull
story, and my goal, and what I am hoping we can do, is actually
we start bringing charges against the FBI agents -- these rogue
agents. Now I am not suggesting, and I am sure they are listening
now, there is somebody from the Justice Department who is listening
to what I am saying, that what I am saying is that I think there
are a lot of honest, decent, honorable people who are involved
in the Justice Department. The people higher up, I think, have
deviated from what their oath of office was, and that they are
now participating in destroying our Constitutional rights. And
if we don't speak up now, it may be that they will somehow institute
some kind of program where we will be cut off, like on my web
page. You will see that the things that I had on there disappeared.
Some of the stories. The accounts that Dr. Schwarz and his entire
book on Communism disappeared. And I never took it off. Nobody
else has. I don't know how it disappeared, but it did. And I
think that there will be more and more efforts made to try to
silence anybody who speaks out against them. Or to get their
cadre of individuals who will speak up and say that "Oh,
these people are crazy." They just make all this stuff
up. But then you try to tell them what is going on, and you
give them the evidence, you give them the citations, the actual
documents, they won't look at it. And so most people, it is
too much effort, to go to original sources and actually look
at the evidence. And so that is what we are facing. Very difficult
situation. My intent is exposure. To make these people -- I
consider them total criminals -- I think that we do need jails,
but we have got the wrong people in a lot of cases in the jails
-- The real criminals are the ones who have violated their sworn
oaths of office.
Attorney Hoyt: Jamie, this is Wesley Hoyt.
Can I interrupt for a second and ask Roland Hinkson a question?
It seems to me that a member of the Obama Administration, a
fellow by the name of Van
Jones, stated that one third of the population of the United
States needs to be eliminated. That is murdered or
killed or put in prison or gotten rid of. Mr. Hinkson, you have
information about that. Would you please tell the listening
audience, because this is I think part of the plan. You have
got Ted Turner, for environmental reasons, who says that you
have to depopulate the world, etc. It is part of the larger
plan of the New World Order people, but here is somebody that
has been a close advisor to the White House, to the President,
as recently as 2009 I believe he was kicked out. And what was
it that he said, Mr. Hinkson?
Mr. Hinkson: Well, it is like I told you, I
believe that Van Jones, he was a communist -- he is a self-proclaimed
communist -- yet there are people arguing, "Where did you
get that information?" Well, look it up on Wikipedia and
it is right
there, his whole history of communism and so on. And I remember
listening to the program that I thought, I think it was Van
Jones, I have not had a chance to verify this yet, so I say
that with reservation, but the quote -- and I know that this
is typical of what the intent is -- because of my background
with the Christian anti-Communism crusade way back in the '60's.
And these people have every intention of doing the same thing
in this country -- and I believe it was Van Jones who made the
statement that one third of the population of the United States
will have to be disposed of, and you know how the disposal --
what was meant by that -- 34 million people minimum in China
where summarily executed for being guilty of renting their property
to somebody and charging money. And their children would be
taught in school and speak out against their parents -- "Yes,
they did collect money for that." Well, that was the death
Kelso: Roland, if I may interrupt you.
Mr. Hinkson: Yes.
Kelso: The theme here that I would like to
mention is that "denial" is not a river in
Egypt. And we are all to some degree or another, we are all
in denial. And we fail to grasp something that another great
radio host, Alex Jones, repeats over and over again. The norm
in human history is dictatorship. The norm in human history.
The vast majority of history is a story of dictatorship, oppression
and tyranny. And this little bubble that we are living in of
freedom in America, this Constitutional Republic that was set
up, this is the exception. And what we are experiencing now
folks, you have got a former prosecutor telling you this really
is happening. We need to come out of denial. This descent into
tyranny and oppression, these people like Van Jones, they are
very well organized, and they hate you. They hate the Patriot
Movement. And for them, they do not have any conscience or compunction
about injustice against Edgar Steele. Lying about or fabricating
a case, injustice against a great man David Hinkson, a brilliant,
fine, family man. No, no, they will do any thing. All means
are acceptable to them, and they are part of that norm of human
history which is oppression, dictatorship, and a GULAG situation,
and we are headed for a GULAG here in America, and you have
got right here in the case of Edgar Steele and David Hinkson
a chance to help out. And that is the call that is going out
tonight. Get to the web site,
free-edgar-steele.com and help out financially. Help out
with something else. If you are an attorney, you are an expert
witness, you can volunteer some help. Do it. In the case of
David Hinkson, the web site is RolandHinksonFiles.com.
I am sorry to interrupt you Roland, but please continue your
Mr. Hinkson: Well, anyway on my web
page I have a banner. "Communism comes to power to
power through deception and remains in power by force. I can
remember Dr. Schwarz who is the mentor for Ronald Reagan before
he ever became governor of California, and back in the days
when I worked with Dr. Schwarz, he said that the Communist have
to -- they don't consider themselves evil people at all. The
New World Order. They think what they are doing is really honorable
but is a necessary thing we have to live with. And that is if
you have a herd of cows, some of which have mad cow disease,
you have to destroy those cows in order to save the rest.
Kelso: The Left -- Mr. Hinkson -- the Left
absolutely believes -- the tyrannical Left believes that the
end justifies the means. You and I, we are hated and we are
expendable. They do have murderous thoughts towards us. Now
we only have a few minutes left in the program here folks, and
again I remind you, Jeff Rense is going to have Cyndi Steele
on as his guest. It is a live show, tonight, Cyndi, is it not?
Mrs. Steele: Yes, it is.
Kelso: Well, this is a wonderful development
Mrs. Steele. Jeff Rense as I understand it is going to have
you on for a full hour and will have you on again tomorrow night.
You are going to be speaking to hundreds of thousands of people.
Mrs. Steele: Well, those hundreds of thousands
of people that we need to get the message out that all of us
are at stake for this same outrageous maneuver against justice
that is happening right now. It is not going to stop with Ed.
Mr. Hinkson: If you had one dollar coming from
each of the people who listen, there would be $200,000, enough
to cover -- is Edgar's life and their future worth a dollar?
Mr. Hinkson: I would say, send the money in
Mrs. Steele: It all adds up. Every penny is
very much appreciated and it is going to be put to very good
use because if we win this case, we win for all of us. Because
they will think twice before going after somebody again.
Kelso: Yes, and all of you radio hosts out
there are listening, Alex Jones, another great -- a man who
has perceived how this tyranny state, this police state is being
imposed upon us, he recognizes the pattern, he is a student
of these patterns. He will recognize in the Edgar Steele case
exactly what Wes Hoyt recognized. Wes did not know Cyndi Steele.
He heard about this case and said, "There it is. Bingo.
It is the pattern again." They have got another man in
the railroading process. And Wes Hoyt, as a patriot, came out
and volunteered his efforts. That is exactly what the rest of
us can do. I am doing the same thing here on this radio show.
Clayton Douglas is going to have Mrs. Steele on his radio program
from 8:00 to 9:00 AM tomorrow, so Google that, another patriot
in Arizona. But the big one is Jeff Rense tonight. And Cyndi,
I know you are so eloquent. The bad guys here did not count
Mrs. Steele: Well no, they had expected me
to buckle under and cower away in a corner, and that is not
acceptable because I cannot allow my husband, an innocent man,
to be put away. And I cannot allow this to continue to happen
to other people, you know, like Hinkson and the ones before
him. And it is not going to stop, and they are using -- talk
about railroading -- they are using me -- they thought they
could use me to get him because they knew I was his one strong
supporter in our family and personal life, and boy, if they
got me to turn against him, that would have been it.
Kelso: Yes, and in the case --
Mrs. Steele: I know my husband. He did not
Kelso: And in the case of David Hinkson, they
did not count on his father Roland Hinkson -- how old are you
Mr. Hinkson: I am almost 81. I will be 81 next
Kelso: And you are a mountain climber.
Mr. Hinkson: Yes, I am. [Laughter].
Kelso: They did not count on a Roland Hinkson,
folks. And how many of us, when our time comes in this world
will we have a father like Roland Hinkson, or a wife like Cyndi
Steele. So these two cases, the reason these two cases are before
you, and that they are getting national attention now is because
of Roland Hinkson and Cyndi Steele.
Mr. Hinkson: Jamie, I wrote a book. It is titled
Cesspool of Judicial Corruption: The David Hinkson Story
[now online], and it will be available probably within a month.
It is ready to go to press now. It tells his story.
Kelso: Excellent. And folks, I am telling you
about another book that will be published, and Mr. Hinkson's
story will be in that one too. Edgar Steele will be a free man
within a year, and he will write a book that will blister the
bad guys telling his story. He is in solitary confinement now.
He will be a free man. [56:00 music wrap-up].
Narrator: Thanks for listening. The Jamie Kelso
show returns Monday through Friday evenings 7:00 to 9:00 PM
Eastern U.S. Time.