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Lindsey Williams on Jeff Rense 7/1/10 - UPDATE - ANOTHER Oil Elitist Comes Forward (Part 1 of 4) Caption: "Another Oil Elitist has contacted Lindsey Williams, concerning the Gulf Oil Spill/Disaster." See also Part 2, Part 3, and Part 4.

Jeff Rense Interview with
Lindsey Williams
on the


1 July 2010


Editor's Notes and transcription provided
by William B. Fox, Publisher, America First Books

Also posted in the transcript section of:
"The BP Disaster Viewed At a Minimum
As a LIHOP False Flag Operation

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Jeff Rense: All right, welcome back. Hour number three. It is time to check in with Lindsey Williams, who has been reporting about issues of international global financial power on a worldwide basis for years. And I think his first visit on this program was -- I don't know how long ago it was -- 12 or 14 years ago. Something like that. But anyway, the Gulf catastrophe has kept Lindsay literally up probably many nights. He is monitoring this extremely closely. He has had contact with two of his long time top five star oil sources, and has about as much information on the inside as we can get. What people really want to know, though, is how much longer it is going to last. That is the common question you hear, is when they are going to get it fixed? They are not, folks. It is not going to happen. It is said that the Russians have had this same kind of problem with extreme overpressure wells which have blown out, and in each case they have used nukes to seal them off. The difference: they are on land. You can deal with that. You can't deal with it when you are a mile down in the water. And that pipe casing, that drill casing, is broken off somewhere, they do not know how deep, below the seabed floor. That is why the top-kill operation was stopped, as I have said several times. Because when they start to plug it at the top, it simply diverted the flow and gushered out the sides and it came bubbling up right through the ocean floor. So top kill is not an option. Nukes are probably insane to think about, because that well is drilled on the side of what amounts to a mountain. And if you try to light up a nuke, you could blow out the side of a mountain. And then your imagination can fill in the blanks there. Lindsey, welcome back to the program.
Lindsey Williams: Jeff, thank you so much for the privilege for being on your show tonight. Gulf of Mexico oil disaster --and that word disaster is not understated at all. I am going to begin with what happened to me this week. I had another oil company person to be in touch with me. And what they told me Jeff, verified all the things that were said before, but on the other hand added a few things to it. Punctuated it. And I literally came away startled beyond any words that I can possibly express. Let me begin by first of all going all the way down to where that oil strata is.
Rense: Uh-hm. [OK].
Williams: BP went into it somewhere between 25-30,000. We believe it was closer to 30,000 feet. As my oil friend said to me this week -- now this is different than the Mr. X, this is different than the elitist who is 87 years of age. This is another individual who has been in the oil business relatively all of their life and now retired. They are very similar to the gentleman who is 87 years of age who made this statement to me a number of months ago. He said, "Lindsey, I am too old to care. Just go ahead and tell the world everything." This gentleman is very similar to that. And he tried to explain it this way. He said "Let us first of all begin with the oil strata. Down approximately 30,000 feet." Now he said just above that or surrounding it and encasing it is a granite rock. He said that is what holds it in place. Of course naturally, Jeff, I refer to that as what God put there years ago in order to contain it. He said above that granite rock is sand. Now he said that sand can be cauterized. He said the granite rock cannot. He actually finally gave me the pressure. The wellhead pressure at the top.
Rense: He knows.
Williams: When this thing blew, it was just after they had gone through that granite strata.
Rense: Right.
Williams: And it literally blew everything at once. It blew every safety valve. It blew the platform, it blew up everything. It literally took everything with it. BP had made a few mistakes. Yes. They did not have the fail-safe valve in place properly. We finally have the pressure. Now I have been told by my elitist friend way back a number of weeks ago when I first appeared on your program, and many others across the country, I was told that the wellhead pressure was between 20 and 70 thousand pounds per square inch, but they never had time to check it. They never had time to prove it, because everything blew in one humongous blast.
Rense: That is right.
Williams: ...When they went through that granite layer.
Rense: So they had no measuring devices.
Williams: They have finally gone down there and given it a pretty close to precise pounds per square inch as to what they can fairly well determine it is. And they say that it positively is 40,000 pounds per square inch. [5:36] Now Jeff, you and I both recognize that that is beyond the scope of any modern day scientific methods or any well that has ever been hit before on the face of the earth. Even Russia did not hit that when they drilled their first super deep well. But BP was trying to copy Russia. They did it in the water, ocean water, and when they hit it, and came up with approximately 40,000 pounds per square inch, everything blew. There is no way they are going to stop it. As you mentioned, as you began the program, the only possible way of doing anything to this is a nuclear device. And this gentleman said to me this week, he said, "Chaplain, I don't think there is much possibility of that, because he said that granite strata already has had time to fracture and he said there are some fissures down there. He said that to the best that we can surmise, it already has cracks in it. Now he said that if we go down with a nuclear device, and cauterize that sand above that granite layer, but, he said, the danger is that we are going to open those fissures further, and Jeff, would you like to know how long he said that they have already calculated -- now BP won't tell you this -- the national media would not dare peep this -- I would not have known it if this oil man had not come to me. I did not go to him. He came to me. He said, "Chaplain, I heard what you have been saying." He said, "I want to tell you a little bit of the rest of it." He said, "Chaplain, if we go down and cauterize that sand, but we fracture that granite bore..." He said, "Chaplain, that oil will flow for -- are you ready, are you sitting down?
Rense: I am.
Williams: I hope you are, because this is our possibility. He said we will fracture it further, and it can flow for 30 years, Jeff.
Rense: Well, that pollutes the world.
Williams: Yes
Rense: That pollutes all the oceans of the world.
Williams: Yes.
Rense: And begins at least a minor extinction level event for an awful lot of life forms.
Williams: Correct.
Rense: And don't think that they are not interrelated for one second. That is the mistake that people make. "Well, there is that over there, and there is this over there, and those are in the background there..." No, they are all interrelated. When one segment fails, the chain is broken. And if he is right, this could be an extinction level event which could wipe out much life on this planet. Much. Did he talk about the gases coming up at all?
Williams: Yes, he verified everything that the Environmental Protection Agency has said. He verified all those gases and he said that they definitely are coming out of the well. He said that this positively is correct. And I think that I had given you the list before on that, that the Environmental Protection Agency had given which is horrifying to even think about what people are breathing in Florida. Oh, Jeff, you know I am so glad that you a let me be on your show tonight. I know, I am always glad to be on your show. But I am especially appreciative tonight because Jeff, I am fully convinced with the catastrophic events that are taking place in the world today, and after the President's presentation this morning --
Rense [Laughter] Yes.
Williams: I think we are in such a position right now that short of you talk show hosts, getting to the American people in masse, I do not see any hope for America whatsoever. I really see no method of disseminating this information except what you are doing to your Internet, and the talk shows and the talk groups that you are able to reach, Jeff, if ever. You've had a divine appointed -- how should I say it -- a divine appointed responsibility as a talk show host. It is right now. Your responsibility is the greatest right now it has ever been in your life. [9:51]
Rense: I agree, and I have felt that Lindsey. I concur and I have been doing everything I can to stay on top of this, and if I might just say one thing. It is now patently obvious to anyone who honestly and objectively analyzes this situation that tens of millions of people are being intentionally allowed to breath potentially deadly air by this alleged government of ours. The air monitor quality reports are gone. There haven't been any. One or two cursory notices, and that is it. No universities are being allowed to do this, no municipal air pollution or air quality monitoring stations are issuing results. You folks are not seeing any on my site because there aren't any. This is potentially, de facto, a mass murder unfolding. These people are breathing death. It is that simple. Lindsey Williams is with us. We will be right back with more in just a minute. [11:03]
Rense: Let me urge all of you again who live along the Gulf Coast or anywhere near it, in fact all of you should have an ozone purifier for the air in your homes. Especially the people down there. I would urge them to get two of them if you possibly can. They are around. Look on the Internet. Ozone indoor air purifiers. 200-300-400 dollars, you shouldn't spend any more than that. It will save your life potentially. You are breathing air the government does not want you to know how toxic it is, in fact. And that is, well, how big do crimes get? Go ahead, Lindsey.
Williams: Well, hydrogen sulfide, allowable limits, two to five, ten parts per billion [ppb]. Be sure and write this "P-p-b," "b" as in "boy." Benzene is toxic. It is a carcinogen. People are breathing it all along the Gulf Coast. All over Florida, safe levels --it is so toxic -- until the Environmental Protection Agency says "zero" should be allowed, but 4 parts per billion could possibly take place without hurting you too much.
Rense: Yes, zero to four.

From 10 May 2010 article Air tests from the Louisiana coast reveal human health threats from the oil disaster by Sue Sturgis, FACINGSOUTH, The Institute For Southern Studies


Williams: We presently have in the Gulf of Mexico 3,000 parts per billion. Methylene chloride, 61 parts per billion are allowed by the Environmental Protection Agency. They just measured the other day 3,000 to 3,400 parts per billion. And Jeff, the phone calls that I am getting from people who live in the Gulf states along the coast line and Florida are horrifying. Every hospital in Orlando, Florida is full. Full! I mean literally full and running over. I talked to a friend of mine just this week, and he said every hospital down here it is full. Moving vans? He said you contact a moving company and try to move out of here. He said they won't even give you a date when they will come out and estimate what it will cost to move you.
Rense. Ha!
Williams: I could go on. I could go on with a very prominent attorney who lives in Huntsville, Alabama. I am allowed to use his name now. You will recognize him, Larry Becraft.
Rense: Sure.
Williams: He called me the other day and he said, "Chaplain, it definitely is affecting our area. He said the plants have spots on the leaves in Huntsville, Alabama. He said don't you believe that it goes all the way up any further than here. He said that it is right down to the coastline. Another person in Tallahassee, Florida called me the other day. He said, "We got up this morning, walked out the door, took one whiff of the air." He said, "I could smell -- I could smell the toxic gasses." He said "I am getting out of here, at any cost." As far as I know, he has already moved. You know Jeff, I cannot hear these stories after being a pastor for 12 years and a missionary in Alaska for 12 years on top of that. It is just, I don't know, it is almost doing to me -- whatever it is, it is horrifying. I gave a copy of my latest presentation on the Gulf of Mexico oil disaster -- I have done an entire documentary on this. I beg of you to get it. It has everything in it. And I gave it to the pastor of the church where my family and I attend. He got in touch with me, he said, "Pastor Lindsey, I am appalled." He said, "I am flabbergasted." He said, "I did not realize this." He said "We are not getting this anywhere."
Rense: No.
Williams: A couple of friends of ours not far from where we live came over and had dinner with us the other night. And when they got here, they said, "By the way, Lindsey, what do you think about this Gulf of Mexico oil disaster." After about 20 to 30 minutes of my just laying out basics -- I did not go through the whole presentation, just basics, you know it takes me an hour and a half just to cover my presentation on this. Just basics, he was sitting there with his mouth open. He said, "Wait a minute, we are not getting this in the media. Are you positive now that..." Yes, these are friends. They had to believe what I am saying. Two different people, friends of ours, have said the same thing. They have said, "We are utterly appalled, we are flabbergasted, we did not know it was this way. We thought it was kind of leveling off and getting better since we have not heard it from the major media in the last week's time." Jeff, what are we going to do to get people to wake up and realize what is going on?
Rense: Well, maybe when they see enough of them buried over time it will get through to them, but we have a government that is clearly involved at the very least as an accessory to mass murder. They are directly, in my view, responsible for mass murder, because they are not telling people the truth. And the people have a God-given birth right to know what the government knows, and the government knows that they are breathing death. It's that bad. The benzene alone could kill them. But the methane in the water. The hydrogen sulfide gases. The other gases that are out there. It is -- did you see the video, I guess it was Pensacola Beach, the water was actually bubbling when it was washing up on the shore?
Williams: Yes.
Rense: There was so much gas dissolved in the water. Hydrogen sulfide gas, it was bubbling up through -- look at the water was bubbling, boiling. This is insane. And the entire Gulf is headed, well, it is headed to the ash can of history in terms of life and vibrancy. And all the people that made a living along the Gulf. Restaurateurs. People who supplied the restaurants. People who patronize the restaurants, of course, they are gone. Motels, hotels, are zeroed out in many cases for the 4th of July weekend. There are no tourists. None. The fishing fleets, all the related Marine activity, boat rentals, you name it, are dead, gone. There are millions and millions and millions of people who have lost their livelihood and who are not going to get it back. And the government, what does it do? It lies about the air they are breathing which will kill them. How much more heinous can it get?
Williams: Well Jeff, you used a word just a moment ago, and I want to capitalize on it if I may because you are exactly right. You said "Dead." In 1989, the Exxon Valdez in Alaska, a ship, just a mere oil tanker compared to what we have in the Gulf of Mexico --
Rense: Right.
Williams: -- Hit a rock because of a drunken sea captain. Now that was 1989.
Rense: Right.
Williams: They cleaned up the Exxon Valdez spill. The oldest person that ever lived who was a part of the cleanup crew lived to be 51 years of age. And CNN put this on. I was amazed that they would ever even do it. And they said that back in those days they wore protective gear. They wore rubber gloves. They wore respirators. They wore all these things.
Rense: Well, these people are all, they are -- hold on Lindsey, we are going to interrupt --
Lindsey: Every single person involved in the Exxon Valdez cleanup is today dead.
Rense: They are dead! We will be right back. [18:36]
Rense: OK, back with Lindsey Williams. If you could go ahead and recapture what you were talking about and let us revisit that, Lindsey, if you can remember where you were.
Lindsey: In 1989 in Alaska there was a ship called the Exxon Valdez. The Captain was drunk. He hit a rock. Now this was a super tanker, and it was taking oil from America's oil fields, and from the trans-Alaska oil pipeline. And in the coast around Valdez, they hit this rock and the oil spilt out. Now that is only a fraction of the amount of oil that was coming out in this Gulf of Mexico oil disaster. But, let us go back to the people who aided in the cleanup efforts of the Exxon Valdez. They wore rubber gloves. They wore respirators. They wore protective gear. Now that was only a few years ago in 1989. Every single person who worked in the cleanup effort of that Exxon Valdez in 1989, every single one of those people today are dead according to the records. The oldest that a person, any person who aided in that cleanup effort ever got to be was 51 years of age. That is the oldest! Now, let me go back to what I saw in Prudhoe Bay, Alaska. Remember, I was the Chaplain to the elite. I lived with the people that you hear about. The World Bank, and the IMF, and the top oil company officials of the world as their chaplain on the trans-Alaska oil pipeline. And I kept in touch with these people over the years. But remember I saw everything that went on at Prudhoe Bay. I sat in the Board meetings of the elite for those three years time. For instance, out of every oil well comes many things besides that black oil. Oil in the Gulf of Mexico is a reddish-colored oil. There is more that comes out of that pipe than that. There are gases. There are toxic gases. There are very dangerous substances. And every oil well in the world will vary with what comes out of it according to the particular oil field. At Prudhoe Bay Alaska -- now, you have been on a 747 airplane, many of you. One of the largest airplanes in the commercial airline fleet world today, and you may know that a person six feet tall can stand up in the intake of that engine and still have room over their head. That is how large it is. These are monstrous engines. At Prudhoe Bay Alaska there were seven, that is right, 1-2-3-4-5-6-7 of those 747 type jet aircraft engines that had been adapted for the purpose of pumping back into the ground, are you hearing this folks, all of you there in the Gulf states, and the state of Florida, please, I plead with you to hear this. There were seven of the 747 type jet aircraft engines that pumped nothing but the gases that came up out of the Prudhoe Bay oil field that were toxic and flammable and dangerous, and not fit to breath. They would not let it go into the atmosphere. They filtered that out immediately when the oil came out at the well-head and those 747 jet aircraft engines pumped it back into the field along with an amount of water in order to maintain the pressure of the field. They did not let those gases come out at will. Folks, are you realizing that this is a free-flowing well in the Gulf of Mexico and that not only that reddish color oil is coming and killing the animals and destroying the pristine beaches, and the tourist industry, but the gases that are coming out of that well they are not even making an issue out of it.
Rense: No.
Williams: At Prudhoe Bay Alaska they would not allow one ounce of that gas to escape into the atmosphere.
Rense: How interesting.
Williams: In the Gulf of Mexico, hydrogen sulfide at 1,200 parts per billion --benzene --toxic, cancer-forming. 3,000 parts per billion. Methylene chloride 3,000 to 3,400 parts per billion and folks in Florida, you are breathing this. In the Gulf coast, you are inhaling this. Your are getting sick. A person said to me out of Orlando the other day, he said, "We are having respiratory problems for the past week." They said, we have been so nauseated that I was home from work for the last two days." He said, "Chaplain, what can we do about it?" Jeff, I don't know where to go from here. My heart goes out to these people. The gases coming out of that well in no other oil field in the world would they even allow them to escape into the atmosphere. And at Prudhoe Bay every bit of it was pumped back in. And not only that but on top of that, BP has intentionally lied and kept you from knowing the amount of oil that is out there by pumping as of today one billion, one hundred and twenty one thousand gallons of that horrible toxic substance called Corexit 9500 into the water. It is going to be turning into toxic rain. It is -- I don't know how to -- it phase-transitions is the way they call it. It is unimaginable, the environmental and human disaster that is going to develop as a result of this. From the very bottom of the evolutionary chart to the top. Everything is affected. Jeff, where do we go? How do we tell people to please do something immediately.
Rense: Well, there is very little they can do. Many of them are in homes that have been in their families for generations. They can't pack up and leave. They have nowhere to go. They have no means to get out of the situation that they are being, well, held in by their government. The government is making no effort to make relocation a potential for these people. The government is simply hiding the deadly nature of the air they are breathing. And I notice this is the first time I went looking for air quality analyses. I could not find any. Finally the one that was on the Louisiana TV station that made it abundantly clear that benzene in one particular test: 3,400 parts per billion, and zero to four as you said, safe, if safe is any. I think zero is safe. But the issue of where will you put ten to twenty million people is quite clearly something the government hasn't a clue about doing. They don't know what to do. Who is going to provide law enforcement to protect the homes from looters which obviously will be a problem. And you force everyone to leave? No. You can't do that. You can invite them to leave if you have a place to take them. All I can tell people to do is to at least when you are indoors, keep the windows closed, keep the air on recycle, keep your air conditioners on, and get an ozone air purifier. They actually make them that will fit in the ducting of your indoor air conditioning system. It is made by Trane. The one I have is called clean air effects. E-f-f-e-c-t-s. [Trane CleanEffects]. I guess it is a little over a $1,000. And it goes right into the duct before it goes into your particular heater or recycling unit for cold air. And it takes 99.99 per cent of the toxicity out of the air in your home. This is mold, yeast, fungus, gases, it doesn't matter. So at least look into that and there are cheaper units on the market. 2 to 3 to 400 dollars. You have to at least give yourself a chance when you are not outdoors to breath clean air. And that is one way you can do it. Other than that, millions of Americans are --their lives are on the line tonight, right as we speak. Back with Lindsey in just a few minutes. [26: 43]
Rense: OK, back with Lindsey, and as I mentioned earlier tonight, Hurricane Alex dropped a huge part of its tail on the Gulf. And over the weekend they are saying that may turn into a second hurricane. It is certainly possible, so we will have to see. The first one that heads towards New Orleans, of course, rather than over towards Mexico and Texas to the west, is going to cause a great deal of trouble. The reason this oil is red, and there is so much potent gas coming up, is that this material is being released from the mantle -- deep in the mantle of the earth. And it is basically, these are the components of more refined oil that is slowly over the eons pushed to the surface and gathers together in pools. Oil fields which we tap into. They don't have near the gas, near the toxicity. These are the precursor elements to petroleum as we know it. And for goodness sake if you hear anyone say "fossil fuel," correct them. Say, with all due respect, this oil has nothing to do with fossils, never did, never will, it is a process of abiotic oil creation that the earth does 24 hours a day and never stops. There may be more oil under the mantle than water on the surface. That is what somebody else said, which is interesting. So Lindsey, I don't know what to tell you, but life as we knew it in the Gulf is dead, in terms of the animal kingdoms. Life as we knew it for humans, homo sapiens, is dead as we knew it. It is not coming back. And if you folks listening down there have a means to get out, get out. If you have got relatives in North Dakota, out West, in Colorado, Utah, Arizona, it doesn't matter, get out of there. And they are finding oil now, apparently from what I am getting, a story that I have not been able to get into yet, but it will be posted momentarily, they have found oil from the Gulf, they think in the Gulf, in [Bladenboro] North Carolina now. In a ditch. It looks like the same oil. It appears to be the same oil. And we will have to wait and see for the analysis. It does have ear marks. The story, let us see if I can get it to possibly play here. We will see what it says. I just got it. Very interesting. "Oil from the Gulf in Bladenboro, NC." It is a short piece, let's take a listen here. [29:46]


Female: It is not good.
Male: Is it on?
Female: Uh hum.
Male: Reporting from North Carolina, Bladenboro. As you can see, it rained a couple of days ago.
Female: Last night.
Male: That is oil in our ditch water. That's oil. We don't hear nothing about that on the news...

Rense: OK, well there you go. That is a long ways up. It is being carried by the air currents. All up, at least halfway up the East Coast now. And it will go further. So remember, no hurricanes have been moving up the East Coast. Nothing. This is just being pumped up from air currents that are coming out of the Gulf. And this particular gentleman found oil in his water ditch on his property in Bladenboro, North Carolina. There you go.
Williams: Well, the Gulf of Mexico oil is a super deep well. It is the first time that a super deep well has ever been drilled in ocean water. It should have never have been done. The government should have never have issued the permit. It is abiotic oil. That means it positively is not fossil fuel. That none of the elements in this oil that relate to fossil fuel at all. This is the mother lode of all oils is coming from very deep in the heart of the earth. They tapped into a strata that was a whole new world to them. Even the oil companies themselves had no precedence for this whatsoever. Now Jeff, things are happening so rapidly. You may remember, I think it was about three weeks ago, when I appeared on your show for the first time talking about the Gulf of Mexico oil disaster. At the time I had just completed a documentary on it. Well, that documentary is now outdated, and there are so many new things that have happened, and so much that has taken place. There are numbers of oil company people who I have been in touch with, and then this one this past week who contacted me and said "Chaplain, I am going to be amazed if anything can be done about this at all." And he said it may even go on for 30 years. As a result, I just finished, I think it was four days ago a new documentary. I plead with you to get this. I will give you a toll free number in just a moment, I will tell you where our web site is, where you can go over the weekend if you wish and pick up on this, or even tonight. And I beg of you, my DVD's and CD's are not copy-written. I hope you heard that. I very seldom ever hear a person say "I don't have time to be greedy anymore, this is too drastic." They are not copy written. I am begging of you to get my DVD's. Six DVD set, telling everything that the elite are going to do between now and 2012. [Tragedy, Hope and Reality, available online] Everything they will do in 2010, I was told this by an 87 year old elitist who said to me "Chaplain, I am too old to care. Just tell the world everything, and I did in quality DVD form. Six DVD's, eight hours of viewing and my documentary on the Gulf of Mexico oil disaster. [Gulf Oil Disaster, available online]. It all ties together in the plans of the elitists. I beg of you to get them, copy them, give them to everybody you can. Our toll free number is 1-888-799-6111. Or, if you would like to go on the web, you can go to, that is "prophecy" spelled with a "c." You can order there if you wish, or our toll-free number, 1-888-799-6111. I urge you, copy them. If you know anyone in the Gulf states, if you know anyone in Florida, give them the truth. Give it to them as I have gotten it from the elitists themselves. Now Jeff, you know, I have been on your show for as you said for the past 25 years was the first time I ever did a show with you. And you know that I never deal in a hope so, think so, or possibly a "could be." I just don't deal in those things. And if people ask me a question, and the elitists have not given me an answer, I just merely say "I don't know." What you are going to get from my documentary on the Gulf of Mexico oil disaster comes from them. Right from the people who know what is going on behind closed doors and everything that is taking place. This is so drastic that as far as I am concerned, there has never been a disaster in the United States of America and possibly even in the entire world that could even equal close to this Gulf of Mexico oil disaster. It is going to affect our lifestyle for years and years to come if not always. The tourist industry is gone, as Jeff mentioned a moment ago. You may as well forget it. Jeff, did I hear you say that over the 4th of July the hotels around the Gulf, around Pensacola and certain places like that, that for all practical purposes the hotels are empty.
Rense: Correct.
Williams: Oh my goodness.
Rense: Nobody is going down there.
Williams: This is one of the biggest industries of the Gulf Coast in Florida.
Rense: No, it is over. It is not going to come back. See, the word is out on the Internet about the air. No one is going to take their family down into a deadly toxic environmental disaster like this. No one should. And they are not. And you can't blame them. This is a catastrophe. BP will be paying until it is absorbed or taken over by some other company, and eventually they will put limits on the pay offs and these people, a lot of them, will just die. You saw the tragedy of the boat captain. He had just completed the BP training course as an updated training course. And he figured it out. He figured out that his life was over. It was over for the Gulf. And he just checked out. Right on his ship. His crew was on board and everything. I hope you people don't do that. We don't want to see that. What we want to see is you folks who can and who do have relatives elsewhere, do your best to call them and say, "Hey, can we get out of here for a few weeks or a month until we see what is going to happen?" And then you are going to have to take your chances. Maybe you can get a mini-storage and put your more valuable things in there. Hopefully the police will stay on duty. I can't imagine going out as a law enforcement officer in those areas if they know what we know and working. They have got families too. So you get back to that same old thing. Who is going to be around to protect you when something really bad happens. Well, something really bad has happened. And the government is clearly lying. The government is clearly sacrificing people. BP doesn't care. They are going to put them in those formaldehyde trailers now, the cleanup crew. When they get sick, they get ibuprofen and that is it. So no, it is not good. Not good at all. It is unfortunately only going to get worse. Oil in North Carolina in a ditch with water in it. That means oil fell all over the place. So watch the radar maps. Watch how the oil moves up and out of the Gulf and where it goes. Because essentially wherever that flow of oil in the air goes, the ground will be polluted. And with Corexit in there, one and a half million gallons -- or maybe more than that by now -- you have Larry Becraft in Huntsville, and other people talking about crops and plants and trees and shrubs and flowers dying. So no, it is not good. It is a very grim situation. Lindsay, thanks so much for the update. I know what you are offering on your DVD and some people have written to me and say "Is he trying to capitalize on this?" and I said "Lord no." He is trying to bring the information not just taken off the wire services and the Internet, but from these top, top people in the oil industry that he has known for decades. This is really important information. Now they know how bad this is. And through Lindsey they are talking. This is rather fascinating, to put it mildly. Lindsey, thanks so much again.
Williams: Thank you Jeff. I appreciate your allowing me to be on your show tonight. God bless you and have a great week.
Rense: Thank you. Talk to you soon. OK. Lindsey Williams, and we will be back with more tomorrow night. Friday night, the second of July 2010. See you then. [39:12].


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